Metamorphosis of rpf
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@Living_thing said in Metamorphosis of rpf:
It's sad to see the twisting of the larger ray peat community.
The "if we bridge Ray Peat and the low toxin movement we win" is 100% cope, glazing of charlie's own ideas, and attempt to gaslight people.
charlie said himself that Ray Peat is right about pretty much everything except vitamin A, so the only idea that charlie says has a different pov than Ray Peat is VA.
There's nothing to bridge, charlie's basic thoughts including his VA thoughts were already included on the forum a long time ago, “low toxin” just a cash grab attempt label.
He started glazing calcium recently, and shared a post(him and chatgpt allegedly) on dairy products that ends with a partial glazing of raw milk, he already drinks skim milk according to him, it wouldn't surprise me if he already drinks or starts drinking raw milk in the coming times, which according to him before was too high in VA and calcium
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@water-fire Charlie has no consistent ideas. They change regularly as he consistently repeats that Ray Peat was wrong.
Cash grab for sure.
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@water-fire said in Metamorphosis of rpf:
The "if we bridge Ray Peat and the low toxin movement we win" is 100% cope
He could be right actually. The concept of a 'toxin' could have considerable depth to it.
@water-fire said in Metamorphosis of rpf:
There's nothing to bridge
@heyman said in Peaty man looking for a peaty woman:
the neutrino sea
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@ThinPicking said in Metamorphosis of rpf:
@water-fire said in Metamorphosis of rpf:
The "if we bridge Ray Peat and the low toxin movement we win" is 100% cope
He could be right actually. The concept of a 'toxin' could have considerable depth to it.
@water-fire said in Metamorphosis of rpf:
There's nothing to bridge
@heyman said in Peaty man looking for a peaty woman:
the neutrino sea
Can you not respond to my comments, your answers are not relevant, and not funny
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@water-fire said in Metamorphosis of rpf:
Can you not respond to my comments
Can you use the block button.
your answers are not relevant, and not funny
Certified and final!
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@ThinPicking said in Metamorphosis of rpf:
@water-fire said in Metamorphosis of rpf:
Can you not respond to my comments
Can you use the block button.
your answers are not relevant, and not funny
Certified and final!
Yes if you can't stop your unclear, irrelevant answers, your unfunny attempt at humor, I'll just block you, several people have already told you that you pollute certain threads with your comments, ask yourself some questions
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@water-fire said in Metamorphosis of rpf:
is 100% cope, glazing of charlie's own ideas, and attempt to gaslight people
There's nothing to bridge
“low toxin” just a cash grab attempt label
@water-fire said in Metamorphosis of rpf:
your unclear, irrelevant answers
You're not the arbiter of declarative statements. And neither am I.
@water-fire said in Metamorphosis of rpf:
I'll just block you
You can just do things. Please go ahead.
several people have already told you that you pollute certain threads with your comments
That's ok.
@water-fire said in Metamorphosis of rpf:
ask yourself some questions
All the time b(r)other.
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@ThinPicking said in Metamorphosis of rpf:
@water-fire said in Metamorphosis of rpf:
is 100% cope, glazing of charlie's own ideas, and attempt to gaslight people
There's nothing to bridge
“low toxin” just a cash grab attempt label
Why are you quoting these 3 things I said, as if they had something to do with my previous comment, when if you just have basic discernment and have witnessed Charlie's behavior since 2021, what I said is based and factual, not trash talking.
@water-fire said in Metamorphosis of rpf:
your unclear, irrelevant answers
You're not the arbiter of declarative statements. And neither am I.
There are several people who have told you that some of your answers are unclear, irrelevant, and just pollute the topics, it's not even a question of who's the referee
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@water-fire said in Metamorphosis of rpf:
Why are you quoting these 3 things I said
what I said is based and verdict
Because your declarations indicate for this.
some of your answers are unclear, irrelevant, and just pollute the topics
That's ok.
You seem partial to conversation as opposed to a block. Can you tell me, is 'peating' finished? Do we have all the answers?
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@ThinPicking said in Metamorphosis of rpf:
@water-fire said in Metamorphosis of rpf:
Why are you quoting these 3 things I said
what I said is based and verdict
Because your declarations indicate for this.
Unclear and incomprehensible answer, I suggest you try to be explicit and clear.
some of your answers are unclear, irrelevant, and just pollute the topics
That's ok.
You seem partial to conversation as opposed to a block. Can you tell me, is 'peating' finished? Do we have all the answers?
I didn't say or imply that what Ray Peat says is the truth, or that it's “finished”, I suggest that you improve your discernment and your ability to understand, I said that there is no “bridge” to be made between Ray Peat's ideas and those of Charlie, because Charlie himself said that Ray Peat is right about almost everything except VA, and also because Ray Peat's perspective on VA, is nuanced, not religious and incoherent like charlie
All these “X diet” labels, with no new ideas or sets of ideas, are mainly tools for trying to make money. Also think about why he didn't want to change the name of the ray peat forum for so long, when at first he said that Ray Peat's ideas were toxic and destroying lives, and that they were partially forbidden to be discussed on the forum, because he wanted to use Ray Peat's name to make money
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@water-fire said in Metamorphosis of rpf:
Unclear and incomprehensible answer, I suggest you try to be explicit and clear.
Sir yes sir.
I didn't say or imply that what Ray Peat says is the truth, or that it's “finished”, I suggest that you improve your discernment and your ability to understand
Sir yes sir. Definitely only me.
I said that there is no “bridge” to be made between Ray Peat's ideas and those of Charlie
Charlie seems to be paying attention to and considering the position of other people who can't sustain a euthyroid state. At least with the substrates that we can. Clearly to varying effect.
because Charlie himself said that Ray Peat is right about almost everything except VA, and also because Ray Peat's perspective on VA, is nuanced, not religious and incoherent like charlie
It's rightly nuanced around the achievement of a euthyroid state. Correct me if wrong. For the people who seem to have trouble getting there, something seems to be missing in their chain of thought, perception and action. It's possible to consider that VA is only a temporary hinge for them. A thought form, if you will.
All these “X diet” labels, with no new ideas or sets of ideas, are mainly tools for trying to make money.
I see that. But I also see the clientele. What do you make of them, fools?
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@ThinPicking said in Metamorphosis of rpf:
@water-fire said in Metamorphosis of rpf:
Unclear and incomprehensible answer, I suggest you try to be explicit and clear.
Sir yes sir.
I didn't say or imply that what Ray Peat says is the truth, or that it's “finished”, I suggest that you improve your discernment and your ability to understand
Sir yes sir. Definitely only me.
Where did i say or imply that Ray Peat ideas are the truth and are "finished"?
because Charlie himself said that Ray Peat is right about almost everything except VA, and also because Ray Peat's perspective on VA, is nuanced, not religious and incoherent like charlie
It's rightly nuanced around the achievement of a euthyroid state. Correct me if wrong. For the people who seem to have trouble getting there, something seems to be missing in their chain of thought, perception and action. It's possible to consider that VA is only a temporary hinge for them. A thought form, if you will.
Did Raymond Peat recommend that people eat large quantities of liver? No. Did Ray Peat recommend that people eat something and/or beef liver even when they don't like the taste and smell? No.most beef liver taste horrible. and there's even a quote associated with Ray Peat where he says he's never eaten kidney because he's never smelled any that made him want to eat it. Did anyone on Ray Peat forum recommend cooking liver to make it more appetizing when people didn't like the smell and taste and felt repulsion for liver? Yes, and I haven't heard Raymond do it.
Did he recommend that people eat fruit even if it's not ripe? No he didnt , he emphasized the importance of ripeness,99.9 % of the oranges and fruits I see are not optimally ripe, even in organic stores or markets. Do charlie have any evidence that fruits more colorful than apples and bananas (fruits recommended by “low toxin” guys) are inherently worse for your health due to their higher coloration/“carotenoid content”, and that this is not due to the quality, health and degree of ripeness of the fruit? I haven't seen any. A fruit that is white and/or low in carotenoids is not necessarily better than a yellow or orange fruit. I have eaten ripe orange colored fruits that were 100 fold better than ripe bananas,apples, and white fruits in term of health and energy.
All these “X diet” labels, with no new ideas or sets of ideas, are mainly tools for trying to make money.
I see that. But I also see the clientele. What do you make of them, fools?
No
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@water-fire said in Metamorphosis of rpf:
Where did i say or imply that Ray Peat ideas are the truth and are "finished"?
Here, in the comment below. Is 'nuance' in his comments about VA the only thing they're missing.
@water-fire said in Metamorphosis of rpf:
There's nothing to bridge
Unless you think the gaping chasm between people is peacefully sustainable. I thought Ray was quite explicit about the avoidance of authoritarianism. Correct me if wrong.
In the same comment you're responding to, you also suggested to 'improve your discernment and your ability to understand'. And I definitely confirmed that it's definitely only me who needs to do that.
Did Raymond Peat recommend that people eat large quantities of liver? No. Did Ray Peat recommend that people eat something and/or beef liver even when they don't like the taste and smell? No, and there's even a quote associated with Ray Peat where he says he's never eaten kidney because he's never smelled any that made him want to eat it. Did anyone on Ray Peat recommend cooking liver to make it more appetizing when people didn't like the smell and taste and felt repulsion for liver? Yes, and I haven't heard Raymond do it. Did he recommend that people eat fruit even if it's not ripe? No he didnt , he emphasized the importance of ripeness,99.9 % of the oranges and fruits I see are not optimally ripe, even in organic stores or markets. Do they have any evidence that fruits more colorful than apples and bananas (the fruits recommended for “low toxin”) are inherently worse for your health due to their higher coloration/“carotenoid content”, and that this is not due to the quality, health and degree of ripeness of the fruit? I haven't seen any. A fruit that is white and/or low in carotenoids is not necessarily better than a yellow or orange fruit.
I understand your frustration with the things they said and say. I held that for a while. But then I wondered if there's something behind it. And the frustration evaporated. You referred to them as 'normies' in the other thread.
No
What then? I don't know yet is my answer. At least not in a way that would allow me to conform to your 'explicit and clear' suggestion.
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@ThinPicking said in Metamorphosis of rpf:
@water-fire said in Metamorphosis of rpf:
Where did i say or imply that Ray Peat ideas are the truth and are "finished"?
Here, in the comment below. Is 'nuance' in his comments about VA the only thing they're missing.
"there's nothing to bridge" comment doesn't imply that I think Ray Peat's ideas are the truth and the end game in terms of energy and health.Raymond's nuances on VA isn't the only thing missing from Charlie's thoughts.
@water-fire said in Metamorphosis of rpf:
There's nothing to bridge
Unless you think the gaping chasm between people is peacefully sustainable. I thought Ray was quite explicit about the avoidance of authoritarianism. Correct me if wrong.
Unclear and incomprehensible, i dont know what you are refering to.
In the same comment you're responding to, you also suggested to 'improve your discernment and your ability to understand'. And I definitely confirmed that it's definitely only me who needs to do that.
It sounded like potential sarcasm, so i asked.
Did Raymond Peat recommend that people eat large quantities of liver? No. Did Ray Peat recommend that people eat something and/or beef liver even when they don't like the taste and smell? No, and there's even a quote associated with Ray Peat where he says he's never eaten kidney because he's never smelled any that made him want to eat it. Did anyone on Ray Peat recommend cooking liver to make it more appetizing when people didn't like the smell and taste and felt repulsion for liver? Yes, and I haven't heard Raymond do it. Did he recommend that people eat fruit even if it's not ripe? No he didnt , he emphasized the importance of ripeness,99.9 % of the oranges and fruits I see are not optimally ripe, even in organic stores or markets. Do they have any evidence that fruits more colorful than apples and bananas (the fruits recommended for “low toxin”) are inherently worse for your health due to their higher coloration/“carotenoid content”, and that this is not due to the quality, health and degree of ripeness of the fruit? I haven't seen any. A fruit that is white and/or low in carotenoids is not necessarily better than a yellow or orange fruit.
I understand your frustration with the things they said and say. I held that for a while. But then I wondered if there's something behind it. And the frustration evaporated. You referred to them as 'normies' in the other thread.
I am not frustrated, just stating facts and sharing ideas relevants to the topic. "Something to it" what is "it", what is a charlie thought that is constant, coherent,that he has not changed, that wasnt already there on there on the forum, that is opposite to Ray Peat ideas, and that there is solid evidences for it to be the cause of the main problems for a substantial amounts of people that had problems on the RPF?
I did not call people that follow "low toxin" thoughts Normies, read better, i said charlie Normie ideas
and I called his thoughts "normie" in a specific context, him making a post where he glazes basic information on the fact that milk is fortified, while claiming that it is the main cause of the negative effects of dairy products without providing any proof. it is indicated on the label when the milk is fortified, so calling this thought among others as normie information, it is not demeaning, it is factual, even people who are not interested in theories on food know it or can know it by reading the label
His post https://lowtoxinforum.com/threads/boom-here-it-is-this-is-how-the-dairy-supply-is-poisoned.53893/
No
What then? I don't know yet is my answer. At least not in a way that would allow me to conform to your 'explicit and clear' suggestion.
What about what? You asked if i think people that get influenced by diet labels are fools, i said no.
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@water-fire said in Metamorphosis of rpf:
"there's nothing to bridge" comment doesn't imply that I think Ray Peat's ideas are the truth and the end game in terms of energy and health.Raymond's nuances on VA isn't the only thing missing from Charlie's thoughts.
Ok.
Unclear and incomprehensible, i dont know what you are refering to.
Understandable in context.
It sounded like potential sarcasm, so i asked.
Definitely not sarcasm.
I am not frustrated, just stating facts and sharing ideas relevant to the topic.
They seemed to be conclusions more than ideas. To which my response was 'pollution'. I'm sure I've just misunderstood you.
"Something to it" what is "it"
I said something behind it. It being things they said and say, which your comment was taking issue with.
what is a charlie thought that is constant, coherent,that he has not changed, that wasnt already there on there on the forum, that is opposite to Ray Peat ideas, and that there is solid evidences for it to be the cause of the main problems for a substantial amounts of people that had problems on the RPF?
I don't know. He's clearly willing to change his mind. Or angle of approach.
read better
I do try w-fire.
@water-fire said in New "Mission" of RPF:
Chamber where he pushes his normies ideas
His normies, plural. Could be interpreted as normies he's conversing with or otherwise paying attention to.
@water-fire said in Metamorphosis of rpf:
it is indicated on the label when the milk is fortified, so calling this thought among others as normie information, it is not demeaning, it is factual, even people who are not interested in theories on food know it or can know it by reading the label
Got it. So we're all normies. Excellent.
What about what? You asked if i think people that get influenced by diet labels are fools, i said no.
The clientele. Is 'influence' the only thing that turns their attention to a particular approach to health. I don't know.
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if its a cash grab he's not that good of a businessman to abandon the rpf and move to lowtoxinforum just as peatosphere on socials was heating up
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A good one could probably make a solid brand attachment of 'gigamilk', no matter the context.
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@sunsunsun said in Metamorphosis of rpf:
if its a cash grab he's not that good of a businessman to abandon the rpf and move to lowtoxinforum just as peatosphere on socials was heating up
Ain't certain, potentially charlie said Ray Peat gf contacted him and asked him to remove the name, he claimed he had the intention to do it before she contacted him, but considering that he didnt do it for months, potentially years, another probable lie
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@water-fire said in Metamorphosis of rpf:
considering that he didnt do it for months, potentially years
10 months depending on where you're counting from, to the... 11th of September 2024.
