New "Mission" of RPF
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@C-Mex said in New "Mission" of RPF:
Sorry I can't help myself. I'm only here to vomit a bit of technically minded rationality. We're all on a road, I'm authentically liberal and democratic. I don't want to derail or stop a discussion.
His statement about fingerprinting there is fair. It's practically an art and no one should be under any illusion. The internet is not and has never been an anonymous environment. Only one where identity can be obfuscated and misattributed. But depending on severity that too can be unwound. Where there's a will there's a way. The only question that matters is whether it would stand up in court. I'm a law abiding citizen, so this is just an intellectual exercise for me.
The method in the article below peaks my nerd for using execution characteristics beneath the abstractions we're used to. And it's by no means the only way.
I also have two words: Corporate Personhood.
If the inhabitants of a "progressive" form of civilisation want to have their cake and eat it. We probably will have digital ID. And it will be the responsibility of the population to keep the implications of that in check. At all times.
The more we can understand how we arrived here and keep a cool head about it. The less likely things will be done in the midst of "crisis".
In many ways a "surveillance state" exists to deal with psychological aberrations that can arise from misunderstanding complexity. I'm not sympathising, it's just True. So help me God.
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God as 'he'? I know something is there... But a he??? Idk...
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@zawisza said in New "Mission" of RPF:
Is this your attempt at this technique to redirect peoples' brainpower and waste it on such retarded topics instead of doing something helpful? Do you get paid for this?
What is “helpful” that I should be doing according to you?
And how is it “topic dilution” and “redirection” when this thread is literally about what the fck happened to RPF ?
You came in here calling us “schizo” and “mentally sick”. I’m open to being wrong. But in light of what we know about Ray being a person of interest since Blake College, Charlie deliberately tanking his userbase, Ray being viciously slandered and Garrett Smith taking over - any sane person would have questions since none of it makes any fcking sense.
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This screenshot was shared in 2013.
It also appears in this thread and seemingly Charlie was ok with it because he comments further down. https://raypeatforum.com/community/threads/experience-with-vitamin-a-and-acne.1491/page-2
The address matches a former address of Life Giving Store. https://www.bizapedia.com/ga/life-giving-store-llc.html
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@ThinPicking said in New "Mission" of RPF:
@C-Mex said in New "Mission" of RPF:
Sorry I can't help myself. I'm only here to vomit a bit of technically minded rationality. We're all on a road, I'm authentically liberal and democratic. I don't want to derail or stop a discussion.
His statement about fingerprinting there is fair. It's practically an art and no one should be under any illusion. The internet is not and has never been an anonymous environment. Only one where identity can be obfuscated and misattributed. But depending on severity that too can be unwound. Where there's a will there's a way. The only question that matters is whether it would stand up in court. I'm a law abiding citizen, so this is just an intellectual exercise for me.
The method in the article below peaks my nerd for using execution characteristics beneath the abstractions we're used to. And it's by no means the only way.
I also have two words: Corporate Personhood.
If the inhabitants of a "progressive" form of civilisation want to have their cake and eat it. We probably will have digital ID. And it will be the responsibility of the population to keep the implications of that in check. At all times.
The more we can understand how we arrived here and keep a cool head about it. The less likely things will be done in the midst of "crisis".
In many ways a "surveillance state" exists to deal with psychological aberrations that can arise from misunderstanding complexity. I'm not sympathising, it's just True. So help me God.
I think you are rationalizating abuse and potential government overreach of the technology. Of course I know that capabilities are there and have been there for some time, but many people don't. Until people start calling out the misuse of surveillance and tracking capabilities and bringing attention to the issue we will continue to see more infringements on our liberties.
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@zawisza said in New "Mission" of RPF:
@ilovethesea said in New "Mission" of RPF:
Looks like @zawisza may be on their payroll.
Of all the addresses in the world for ZoomInfo to get wrong, it somehow links Ray Peat Forum supposedly founded by a guy in Florida to Cambridge University Pharmacology, Wellcome Trust and the World Health Organization?
Sure Jan.
@C-Mex said in New "Mission" of RPF:
They scanned some data that linked it to that address in Cambridge, UK. The complaint is about getting one address wrong, 400 miles away.
If you had some desire to actually understand what's going on instead of jumping on the bandwagon and piling as much shit as possible on a guy you hate, you would maybe have easier time understanding this. ICANN has redacted organization's address for privacy since they used cloudflare for hosting so there's no way of actually knowing the true addrss. Zoominfo can only "guess" their address by maliciously scanning users' emails and scraping the web. It's enough for the address to be mentioned on the website; it doesn't have to be associated actually with the website (just like in the article I sent). If you had read the article I posted you would know how wrong they can be, how they refuse to change, and that it's not just one address as you try to imply.
Knowing how zoominfo works, we should expected the Cambridge address to be present somewhere in the forum. And it is:
IP3 Receptors: Toward Understanding Their Activation
Colin W. Taylor and Stephen C. Tovey
Department of Pharmacology, University of Cambridge, Tennis Court Road, Cambridge, CB2 1PD, United Kingdom
Correspondence:Email: ku.ca.mac@0001twc
2010Zoominfo found this address and assigned it to the website even though it's completely unrelated. Other "services" showing website info probably copied this from zoominfo since most of them scrape each other.
Everyone is getting caught up in the minutiae of this post’s tone or whatever, but he’s basically proved that the Cambridge connection is a “glitch” in zoominfo
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@C-Mex said in New "Mission" of RPF:
@Peatly said in New "Mission" of RPF:
No surprise there. This is serious.
Also the Wellcome trust is based on Tennis Court Road in Cambridge
What a coincidence.
https://www.gatesfoundation.org/about/committed-grants/2015/03/opp1128295
I read this article about the Wellcome when it was first published in 2021 - worth reading again
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Charlie owns lifegivingstore which is not registered under the name Charles Mathers
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So you are saying that one citation within one post with that address prompted Zoominfo to presume that to be address of the RPF? Doesn't seem likely to me. It clearly states The Deparment of Phamacology before that address, and I don't think they scan the acutal user content of forums for that kind of information.
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@C-Mex they probably can scan the user content and their automated system is pulling that address and assuming it’s related to the forum’s ownership due to the link between the forum’s content type and that address.
Don’t get me wrong I do think there is some kind of conspiracy going on here but I think that connection to Cambridge is tenuous at best.
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I agree that it needs more looking into, but it is just too much of a coincidence, and it would explain the absolutely bizarre circumstances surrounding the RPF. However, I am doubtful that it would pick up one address from the user content and ascribe that to the address for the forum. Why wouldn't it pick up the Life Giving Store address or any other address that might be contained in the content if it were looking there? Ray Peat's PO box address is in there. My understanding it that the algorithms search business records and possibly business-associated e-mail addresses among other data, but not user content.
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@C-Mex said in New "Mission" of RPF:
it would explain the absolutely bizarre circumstances surrounding the RPF
No, it would explain nothing. Why would a supposed malicious actor use address of pharmacology dept.? I know that you posted loads of supposed connections to the place but the person who would be setting up the honeypot would not be working in pharmacology dept. and, if as you insinuated he would be a state funded actor, he would know better than to use real address connected to him. Most likely he would make sure that any address used for registration is private, for example by using cloudflare... just like "Charlie" did which is why you have to resort to terrible services like Zoominfo.
To summarize, you are implying that the malevolent actor is at the same time connected to the best founded organizations (or government 3-letter agencies) with long tract record of censorship etc and at the same time he is completely incompetent to a point where Zoominfo can find out his true address.
@C-Mex said in New "Mission" of RPF:
My understanding it that the algorithms search business records and possibly business-associated e-mail addresses among other data, but not user content.
Your understanding is incorrect as I said before. If only you would have cared to read the article I sent, you would know that it compiles data in two ways:
- Scraping the web for company and contact information through their proprietary web crawler called NextGenSearchBot.
- Through email plugins that collect email signature information such as name, title, company, phone numbers and email addresses.
"Scraping the web" means that they are scraping everything in the forum including user content.
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Looks like Gates Cambridge is very interested in "prebunking". Too bad they couldn't 'prebunk' the discovery of that UK address, lol.
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Looks like they are trying to convince the public that it is a good thing. I don't watch MSM anymore so I missed this:
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@Peatly said in New "Mission" of RPF:
I read this article about the Wellcome when it was first published in 2021 - worth reading again
A “Leap” toward Humanity’s Destruction
Very disturbing.
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@C-Mex
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@Peatly
Yeah, I remember that article. That was when I trusted (some) Whitney Webb. Anyhow, it is basically ALL to do with Control: of people's thoughts, potential movements, and of course plate/argent/money spending. Think 'Malthusian', the oldworld becomes the WELLCOME TRUST LEAP = WorldWide DARPA. "Fingerprinting" w Digi/ ID is about as trustworthy as arming your enemies. How much 'Trust' do you have in the Government? Not only USA, but France, Argentina, UK, Japan, etc. . When money is not anonymous, and your internet searches become classified as 'not productive' for the goals of the State, where you gonna run to then?I do agree with the sentiment that Charlie is basically a tool for the disinfo. Think need to know basis. Therefore one of the other 'more famous' personalities is advising him. l don't know much about the technical server side. Just check the tax info of the biz if possible, that is always a good angle. (From the movies I hear).
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@Peatly said in New "Mission" of RPF:
Charlie owns lifegivingstore which is not registered under the name Charles Mathers
Charlie acknowledges here that "Debra" runs Life Giving Store which matches the female name in the LLC registration data for both companies mentioned previously.
Charlie says Debra is "part of my family"
https://raypeatforum.com/community/threads/cholesterol-powder-steroid-hormone-precursor-available-for-lab-research-use.19436/Where is the thread where Charlie says he owns Life Giving Store? All I see is these 2017-2019 posts where he "pretends" to be a customer praising their products in the forum threads.
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@ilovethesea What's very, very odd is that the attachment in the "Carbon Dioxide, Glycation" thread by user "frustrated" was added by edit years later. Because the attachment is date stamped October 15, 2014 and the comment in the thread is Feb 14 2013.
https://raypeatforum.com/community/threads/organic-whole-bean-coffee-suggestions-and-grinder.1090/
Also, the comment in the "Organic Whole Bean Coffee" thread was also edited later by user "sctb" because his comment was even earlier on Jan 13, 2013 and the attachment is dated August 16 2014. Why go and add this "doxxing" image 1+ year later to different threads by different users?