New "Mission" of RPF

@ilovethesea said in New "Mission" of RPF:

These two are peas in a pod grifters and it’s ABSURD that Garrett an obvious charlatan would be held in higher account than Ray himself on Ray Peat Forum! Is it because charlie/christ lady/blossom are MAGA people that they can’t see it?

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I couldn't agree more on the absurdity of the situation. Very interesting the Matt Stone connection, I remember his name from earlier days. I'm still baffled but I keep going back to the (new to me) fact that early on Ray Peat wrote Danny Roddy an e-mail stating that the forum seemed to be a 'deliberate' source of misinformation. For those that didn't research any further into Ray's work (I found his work first, the forum didn't get started until a few years later), perhaps it was if you paid close attention. Certainly doesn't feel to me like Charlie -- who started and kept the Ray Peat Forum all those years-- was all that convinced, or knowledgeable or whatever,,by Ray Peat's work to suddenly ditch it all for a self-proclaimed internet expert with not much more than a bunch of anecdotes and acolytes to back his claims.

oldchem

@ilovethesea great post, thanks for providing that context, i believe it is quite important in this story. i have alluded to matt stone being the canary in the coalmine for when a particular gimmick is going to make the rounds for the neurotic diet hoppers.

i saw on the old board that admin had posted a thread "matt stone believes vA was the cause of his problems" or something like that as if this was a point of pride for the validity of low vA.....i suppose this strategy is effective insofar as no one looks up what matt stone looks like recently.

i find the fact that he admitted his older ideas may have lead to his poor state of health but still has the books for sale to be particularly disgusting but i suppose anything to finance a lifestyle that doesn't involve leaving his couch is fair game.

not a good look and frankly all of these people deserve each other. all peas in the same pod indeed.

@S-Holmes Yeah, I don't see the avg low VA dieter lasting 5 years on it. It'll probably have the same lifespan as all the other grift diets, because sterilization isn't fun.

Amazoniac

If the community can't be turned over fast enough to maintain the profit rate and the situation escalates to a breaking point, expect backpedaling, insinuations of misunderstanding, artificial adoration, and a systematic program to change posts and disappear with the mess.

Members' efforts to register everything have been remarkable, but when challenged with proof and it's indefensible, it may be followed by forgiveness speech and a sacred quote to suggest that slips are human nature and to pardon is noble, painting the indignant as resentful who try to deteriorate the positive atmosphere that would be reinstilling over there.

To dissociate from the corrupt image, evoke forgiveness and bring support, we may come across a ceremony with moving discourse (not by AI, but humanized this time) to stage an era transition, and the announcement of mass reversal of bans. Devotees would be around to cheer and other people have their personal interests, so they wouldn't mind buying into it. The characteristic maladministration would be lumped with temporary delusion and members would negotiate with themselves: "I'm doing this, but it's for Ray's legacy." A promotional phase where people are allowed to join the collaborative project exempted of mandatory fees would be handy and show generosity.

If part of members stays indifferent on the forum under the current circumstances, barely compelled to seek alternatives, it's possible that the staff could recover it at a finger snap, with little strategic effort and humility if they wanted to. I know that some of you have principles, but myself and others don't. As long as Ray remains the only 'killer' on the block, it's all fair game for us.

Mulloch94

@oldchem Haven't seen that guy in forever! Well he's definitely put on some weight, lots of face fat. Which usually means fluid buildup. People who eat a lot of junk food always end up swollen because of that lack of potassium. I bet if dude went on like a fruit fast or potato fast he'd piss buckets out!

@Amazoniac said in New "Mission" of RPF:

If part of members stays indifferent on the forum under the current circumstances, barely compelled to seek alternatives, it's possible that the staff could recover it at a finger snap,

This was very creative and made me laugh, like many of the comments here. The comic relief is much appreciated.

If this were to happen I would gladly eat my words, but right now I think it is going to be hard to come back from "The Great Awakening". I know many of you disagree, but I'm still considering the possibility we've been played in a long-con, with the plausible deniability being a mixture of religious fanatacism and MAGA extremism with a touch of online hypochondria. Just the kind of thing the censorial left would dream up. Sometimes it is hard to distinguish incompetence from sabotage.

FWIW, I don't have a lot of specific dates in my head, but by the time I found RP's writings on the internet and became interested, there were already one or two FB groups dedicated to discussing his work (and more came later). The RP Forum came a year or couple of years after that I believe, so Dr. Peat's presence and popularity online had already been established to a certain degree and seemed to be growing by the time the RP Forum started up. And I don't recall a 'Charlie' being in any of the groups I was a member of and interacted in, not that that necessarily means anything... FB was just a logical place to get more info on Peat, interact and see what people were saying at the time.

@yerrag

I would also add that charismatics are oriented towards the God from within in the Holy Spirit while the Fundies are oriented towards the God from without.

Interesting take… Are you a Christian?

@Ivy Do you remember lampofred? That was one of my favorite RPF members. Not sure where they are now.

@C-Mex 'Deliberate' because his name is being used without permission (ostensibly, based on the comment). This is already unethical to begin with. Especially ballsy to do while the man was alive, and then to allow advertisements or links to shopping websites to further profit from his name. If so, in hindsight, Ray Peat should have been more vocal about his disapproval of someone appropriating his identity for third-party commercial means. Now that Ray Peat cannot defend himself the 'deliberate' attack is intensified (e.g. "The name remains.")

yerrag

@AltarandThrone said in New "Mission" of RPF:

@yerrag

I would also add that charismatics are oriented towards the God from within in the Holy Spirit while the Fundies are oriented towards the God from without.

Interesting take… Are you a Christian?

I was raised Catholic.

From personal experience, I suffered for doing the right thing for my immediate family. My famiy is deeply religious Catholic.. They follow rules without by the letter. They are programmed to rigidly follow everything the Ten Commandments says to the letter.

That made me realize that is how that kind of thinking made us chained to allowing injustice to continue with the false notion of leaving everything for Jesus in the afterlife or at end times to remedy. We cannot remedy it ourselves, even though Jesus told us about the Holy Spirit, who gives us inspiration and courage.

I consider myself a believer in God the Father and the Holy Spirit, but not a Christian as that requires a belief in Jesus as God where all Christian need to go thru in prayers - thanking, praising, petitioning, asking for forgiveness. The hopefulness all Christians possess in acting for an externality in Jesus to be a magic bullet for all evil is a vehicle for extreme helplessness as it doesn't allow each believer to take corrective action to make the world better meaningfully. The sphere where they do good is limited to their small bubble of family of friends, but on a larger scale they allow the noosphere to be controlled by a perpetual evil set of masters that would never give peace and justice a chance.

Christians don't know it, but they are mostly driven by fear rather than by love. A humanist following ancient codes such as the Baghavad Gita are better Christians in spirit than Christians in understanding Jesus in spirit.

yerrag

@yerrag We live practically in a Judeo-based "rules-based" order masked as Christian society and civilization.

@yerrag said in New "Mission" of RPF:

A humanist following ancient codes such as the Baghavad Gita are better Christians in spirit than Christians in understanding Jesus in spirit.

A person following Bhagavad Gita is not a 'humanist' but a Hindu.

There are alternatives to living in the Judeo-Christian world. For example, the Hindu, Islamic, Buddhist and Chinese worlds.

@jwayne I guess I read 'deliberate misinformation' as 'disinformation'. I actually don't remember when the advertising started on the RPF, but I thought it was added in later. There was some naive misinterpretation and learning that may or may not have been immediately corrected on the FB groups, and I'm pretty sure he knew about those groups. We were all aware that he was not affiliated or present (the groups were called RP "fans" or "inspired" to indicate this), but he didn't mention concern with how his name was being used per se, with the RPF, but with the information therein. At least that is how I interpreted the e-mail. I can't really speculate as to why he didn't act on it.

@jwayne Good points, though. HIghly unethical to begin with.

@C-Mex Maybe he initially thought there was something surreptitious but enough people interested in earnest arrived. This would make more sense if as I recall the site did not sell any products for some time, and seemed to be just an online discussion board.

I might've missed it before but the scrolling banner now clearly states that the Ray Peat 'Diet' is "toxic and dangerous".

mexican_coke_fan

@yerrag
Curious, do you read the Bible? How did you come to believe in the Father and the Holy Spirit, but not the Son, Jesus?

yerrag

@mexican_coke_fan

I have read parts of the bible, but not all of it.

I explained my reason for not believing in Jesus as God already. I don't believe in sola scriptura, so I don't believe in using the bible as the sole basis for what I believe in. If that were the basis for you, may I ask why you believe in that?

TheSir

@yerrag said in New "Mission" of RPF:

The hopefulness all Christians possess in acting for an externality in Jesus to be a magic bullet for all evil is a vehicle for extreme helplessness as it doesn't allow each believer to take corrective action to make the world better meaningfully.

What would it mean to make the world better meaningfully? What meaningful improvements have we achieved since the dawn of agriculture? Our grand achievement is that we have gradually turned ourselves sick, weak, ugly and stupid. We have uprooted everything that is necessary for our wellbeing. No community, no traditions, no harmony with nature, no healthy culture, no good food. We used to have everything we needed before we came up with the idea that the world could somehow be improved.

Since our largest efforts seem to only make things worse for everyone involved, the most rational thing for us to do is to stop trying to fix the world. The world is a lost cause, and trying to save it will not just waste your time, it might cost you your soul. Evidently any possible hope for us humans, as well as the world itself, can be found in nothing lesser than God himself. Rather than learned helplessness, this is lucidity given by 10 000 years of hard evidence.

The sphere where they do good is limited to their small bubble of family of friends, but on a larger scale they allow the noosphere to be controlled by a perpetual evil set of masters that would never give peace and justice a chance.

It is mere supply and demand in action. What can Christians - or any group for that matter - do against a sick population producing the demand for a sick noosphere? A population has the masters it deserves, as the flaws of the masters are but a reflection of the flaws of the population and what the latter deems permissible (even if begrudgingly).

The only sphere where an individual can realistically be expected to do good is their family and friends. Is it not so? How much influence do you really have over what is going on even in the government of your own municipality, let alone your country, or another country altogether? It is, in most cases, wishful or delusional thinking to believe that one's potential sphere of influence could reach much farther than their immediate environment. Therefore, the most an individual can be asked to do is to take care of the people close to them. If everyone did this, the world would fix itself. It is in no way the fault of the people doing just this that others are not doing it too. What are you doing more than your family?