What happens after you stop taking testosterone supplements?
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Sup bros,
I'm trying to get ripped and build muscle while following an RP diet. I'm getting enough protein and lifting consistently. The results have been good so far, but they're still nowhere near what I see from people taking T.
From an RP perspective, what can I realistically expect after coming off a testosterone cycle? Is the whole "your natural T levels might never fully recover" thing actually true, or is it exaggerated, like some of the claims about DHT and hair loss?
Do you guys have any other tips for getting ripped and muscular without taking T?
And for those who have experience with testosterone, what's your approach to minimizing the risks? What would you recommend, and why?
I'd love to hear your experiences and opinions.
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@Harlock In my experience the difficulty in getting off exogenous testosterone is overstated due to bodybuilders using very aggressive compounds with long biological persistence such as Tren, Deca, etc. for which their concerns are more warranted. I believe there is some good evidence that you can get on injections, and then when coming off is desired, switch to short-acting tesosterone no-ester either sublingual or intranasal (the study I saw was intranasal) which should allow you to recover testicular function while not fully withdrawing. https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/and.14453
You can also make use of things like pregnenolone, aromatase inhibitors, thyroid to maintain or recover your own hormone production. Generally, I would say that the risks are overstated.
I would avoid SERMs despite bodybuilders popping them like candy. I have had terrible debilitating side effects from them in the past and I think they are not necessary to recover fully.
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@jimmynelson Thanks, Jimmy! Really cool insights.
What stack would you recommend for someone who wants to get ripped, lose fat, and build some muscle without looking like Kobe beef?
I'm looking for something relatively mild that I could add to what I'm already taking: T3, Gonadin, B-complex vitamins, aspirin, BCAAs, a high-protein diet, K2, and vitamin D.
My main goal so far has been to maintain high energy levels, as I'm recovering from several years of hypothyroidism.
Now I'd like to add something testosterone-related to help build muscle alongside my gym routine, without going overboard.
What would you recommend?
@haidut you inputs would be helpful as well if you're around!
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the supressiveness depends on the actual specific steroid used. some take 3/4 a year to even be able to pct back to normal levels, some dont have any shutdown other than the transient dip in testosterone while on. apparently. I haven't researched this myself just relaying what ive learned from others
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@Harlock It depends on how much money you have. The new oxastanolone is probably pretty good as a standalone compound. Otherwise just pin reasonable doses of test, preferably short-mid ester length.
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@jimmynelson I saw the new oxastanolone but due to lack of back testing on real people I'll just wait and see results on some big rats!
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Earlier this year I was taking a lot of exogenous T isocaproate (4d half life ester) and stopped. However, before then and after, I was also taking exemestane (aromasin) which led to the recovery being basically instant. Actually, with how big and "meaty" my balls were after stopping, I'm inclined to say my natural production INCREASED afterwards compared to before taking exogenous T.
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