Probiotics and Gut Health, Ray Peat Style
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Are there any other forum members here who take pro or prebiotics? I take shelf stable probiotics, meaning they don't deliver their payload until they reach the large intestine. If you have sluggish digestion or struggle with high lactic acid levels you might not want to take the risk.
P.S. By Ray Peat style I mean taking probiotics that will not populate the small intestine.
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@S-Holmes I tried Bacillus Coagulans and L Reuteri with no effect.
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@GreekDemiGod said in Probiotics and Gut Health, Ray Peat Style:
@S-Holmes I tried Bacillus Coagulans and L Reuteri with no effect.
I recently ordered a Lactobif probiotic complet to try next.I've had better luck with the spore based probio complexes. Our favorite is from a company called Mary Ruth. My mother was diagnosed with COPD a few years ago. In follow up visits her pulmonologist was amazed that the scar tissue seemed to dissolve. That just doesn't happen. There is no allopathic cure but she had been taking MR Probiotics which had apparently reversed her condition.
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@S-Holmes I’ve tried Bacillus subtilis, Bacillus coagulans, Bacillus clausii from what I remember, all spore based.
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Ray Peat style would mean not taking them!
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@CO3 said in Probiotics and Gut Health, Ray Peat Style:
Ray Peat style would mean not taking them!
We're just beginning to learn about gut health, a new frontier. I understand we want to have a mostly sterile small intestine, but it's impossible to keep the large intestine sterile. I believe that populating it with friendly (spore based) bacteria can help control the pathogenic bacteria and other baddies lurking there.
RP (in context) said it's a good idea to keep lactic acid levels low. That was why he recommended taking antibiotics and avoiding probiotics. But if probiotics exist that don't increase systemic lactic acid I believe he would have been more open to their use. And I believe they do. We just need to figure out how to navigate through. It can be confusing.
I was diagnosed last week with systemic mycotoxin poisoning from overuse of antibiotics. I'm going for a scan next week to see if I need surgery to remove one or more myceloid masses. Antibiotics are amazing but they are a dual edged sword.
The experiment continues.
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I've had covid 3 times and long covid twice. My ENT specialist said that every patient he has seen that has had covid issues presents with mycotoxin poisoning...100% of his cases! Covid deaths occur when the fungus spreads to the lungs (steroid treatment is like throwing gasoline on the fire). By now I think most people realize that antibiotics can allow fungal overgrowth in many, if not all. Probiotics are one way to help control this.
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I would second the idea to only take antibiotics as needed. There are many antimicrobial options that don’t carry the risk of upsetting the balance of organisms or causing overgrowth in less desirable organisms like fungus/mold/bad bacteria like c diff.
