Daily progest-E for 23 yo male safe?
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I have pretty poor health, like lack of sleep, anxiety, depression etc. progesterone helps tremendously with these, but am scared of messing with my hormones at this age. Is it safe to take 1 drop of Kenogen Progest-E per day?
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@latin Maybe. You say it helps, so if it helps it helps. 1 drop is a very low dose too, so it's unlikely to cause problems at that dosage. But some people do react poorly. I didn't tolerate progest-e well until I got on thyroid. And getting thyroid to work for me was a process in and of itself. As far as "messing with your hormones" there's simply no chance 1 drop would alter your hormonal profile. Men usually don't start experiencing the anti-androgen effects until they get over 20mgs.'
Have you had any blood work done? A greater question to answer would be why is the progesterone helping with these things? You're 23 years old, so presumably you shouldn't be deficient in the youthful hormones. Perhaps the additional progesterone is triggering a GABA response. And/or it's lowering adrenaline which is well known to cause insomnia, anxiety, and depression (look up Dr. Platt's work on adrenaline dominance).
Are you hypothyroid? Are you hypogonadal? Do you take stimulants or consume large amounts of caffeine? Do you take SSRI's? Knowing your TSH, prolactin, & estradiol could help determine if there's some sort of depressive effect occurring in your HPTA.
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@Mulloch94 as for why I might be deficient in youth hormones, I have severe insomnia for a year induced by Wellbutrin that I took 1 year ago, wake up multiple times a night when I don’t take any supplements. What negative reactions did you have to progest, and why do you think thyroid helped? What dose were you taking? I have t3+t4, but don’t know how to properly take it.
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Definitely!
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@latin said in Daily progest-E for 23 yo male safe?:
What negative reactions did you have to progest, and why do you think thyroid helped?
I would get really cold after only small dosages of progesterone. I think it was killing my stress response but I didn't have enough thyroid to keep my basal metabolic rate high. It may have also been liberating estrogens from my tissues, compounding the problem even more.
When I started to successfully implement thyroid I noticed a lot of my symptoms were gradually disappearing, but I would get these acute bursts of adrenaline that were very intense and unpleasurable. I don't exactly know what was causing that. I can only presume it must have been my thyroid and adrenals trying to establish a new equilibrium. I remember Ray saying that sometimes people will be more sensitive to adrenaline when they first start thyroid, but it levels out after you get your dose tailored correctly.
When I re-added the progesterone back in, it no longer made me cold. It would blunt the adrenaline response at a sufficient enough dose, and since thyroid will correct estrogen:testosterone ratios, it wasn't causing anymore estrogen symptoms like nipple sensitivity. All I had was what I like to call that "calm serenity" feeling, which can turn into a dopey feeling if you take too much P4, so it's important to get the dose right.
Also, this may vary from person to person, but as long as I keep my thyroid dose consistent, I don't need to do P4 daily if I don't want. I'd only do it on a especially stressful day, because once I broke that initial stress cycle thyroid is enough to keep my progesterone levels where they should be.
@latin said in Daily progest-E for 23 yo male safe?:
What dose were you taking?
I take 9-10 drops of progest-e. Roughly 30-35 milligrams. But that's not indicative of what you should be doing necessarily. If you're a man, my motto on P4 is to take whatever minimal dose is effective for the symptoms. For me that's around 30mgs. Which can actually start to be anti-androgenic, but I've notice it can still actually increase my libido at that dose. Weird, but I guess the anti-stress effect outweighs the anti-androgen effect and created a better erection for me.
@latin said in Daily progest-E for 23 yo male safe?:
I have t3+t4, but don’t know how to properly take it.
This can get tricky, lol. First I recommend measuring your temps, before AND after breakfast. Additionally, getting a TSH test will let you know more as well. Anything over 2.5 mU/L is definitely subclinical hypothyroidism. Emphasis on subclinical. Meaning docs won't diagnose you, but you still have the increased disease risk associated with hypothyroidism.
If your temps and tsh checks out, then I recommend taking thyroid the Broda Barnes method. Start with 1/2 grain and stay there for 3 weeks before taking more. Then up the dose to 1 grain, stay there for 3 weeks before taking more. Follow that pattern until symptoms subside. I use TyroMix, and I take it by mouth. This is important, because I see a lot of people thinking it's a transdermal product. With something like thyroid, you want to take it orally. Just put 3 drops in a small glass of juice or a empty capsule and take it.
