90g gelatin daily (BCAA intolerance)
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Yep, you heard that right. BCAA intolerance. Basically the only way for me to not be on meds for my autoimmune disease is to not eat any meat or dairy on a consistent basis. It never fails to flare my symptoms. Gut feels fine. Regular, solid bowel movements. Gelatin/collagen do not cause me problems. Should I just supplement with 90g gelatin daily?
I take calcium supplements as well.
Niacin, thiamine, aspirin all help for the disease, but nothing has quite moved the needle as much as cutting out BCAA rich foods. -
@payreat What do you mean supplement?
Also what do you mean 'heard that right'?
90g as in 90 grams?Keeping in mind the quality of amino-acids is a super-essential cornerstone of Ray's work.
Check out the links in my signature. I rely on this reicpe for most of my protein and use it in the kitchen 4-5 times a week.
Gelatin is not a 'supplement', and by that I don't mean it's entirely ridiculous to use the sheets from the store once in a while. Just massively expensive, poor in micronutrients, and not palatable.
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Haidut has mentioned nausea as a side effect of massive quantities of gelatin consumption.
Haidut:
Watch out for symptoms of nausea from too much gelatin. Back in revolutionary France it was tried as food for the poor and most people refused to eat more than 50g a day due to the overwhelming nausea it caused when eaten long term. Their health did improve, especially bone health and ability to do hard work, and the latter genuinely thrilled the nobility. But if you consider that attempts as a type of randomized uncontrolled trial, it seems that gelatin may have a sweet spot in dose. Not sure if it is 50g but when I tried eating nothing but gelatin as my protein I did get the nausea after a week of 128g (4 boxes of Knox gelatin) a day.
https://raypeatforum.com/community/threads/glycine-powerfully-lowers-cortisol.9512/#post-123529
Watch out for this. It is possible a good quality b complex or multi may prevent the nausea. Or nutrient dense foods.
Haidut says it may be a function of too low serotonin, though
I think it is more of an effect on lowering serotonin. Dopaminergic and anti-serotonin drugs all have nausea as side effects. Not sure hot to mitigate except to find experimentally your maximum dose at which you don't get nausea. I think adding theanine may help the nausea but for me this combination makes me fall asleep almost immediately.
Maybe you can augment the high gelatin with pure glycine powder. Glycine is one of the safest amino acids to take as a supplement according to Ray Peat.
I saw this in the same thread as above
Doses of 80-100g of glycine have been used to treat schizophrenics. I've personally experimented with taking 60g glycine in orange juice (I'm ~76kg), and the only ill effect was bowels moving too quickly for about half a day. However, for the next 3+ days, I felt extremely calm but alert, mentally sharp, and my temperature stayed high and stable. It did also seem like my muscle tone had an improved appearance, but it's hard to make that quantitative.
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I do 50g a day mixed in water, salt and taurine. Usually in the evenings. No issues to report. Calms me before bed.
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@basebolt commercial gelatin likely has tons of histamines and heavy metals that leech from the bones when they boil them for hours on end. It also comes from pork which are creatures that are often very sick.
I can eat as much of my broth as I want and I never get nauseous or feel wired. Gelatin is a FOOD, it is not some kind of abstract 'substance'
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@basebolt very interesting, appreciate that. Will keep an eye on it, I ordered 2kg of gelatin so Im going to try that, but might supplement with B complex then. Will keep the glycine thing in mind for when I do get problems. Thanks voor the well thought out response.
