New "Mission" of RPF
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@jwayne
Thanks. There's no physical store, just a couple of people as contacts and links with home addresses, one in Florida and one in Georgia, some PO boxes and/or mail services used. I looked around at this earlier because I was trying to figure out how 'Charlie' could be claiming that his business and his family were being threatened when nobody even knows who he is and I had assumed that there must be a physical store for such a thing to be happening.
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@Regina said in New "Mission" of RPF:
@C-Mex Maybe there was/is no "Charlie."
The term "Charlie" used by the military mainly refers to enemy soldiers.You're going to need to press @haidut. Georgi says he talked to "charlie" after the banning, right? And perhaps on other occasions. Maybe Danny Roddy has been in touch with Charlie? Has anyone exchanged PM's with him before in years past?
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@C-Mex The review on BBB matches the female name mentioned (plus an extra one) in the LLC data for both stores. Didn't someone mention charlie was recently divorced, or am I misremembering characters? Couldn't the names/address listed be correct for the actual store and accounts? If so, then its plausible someone easily found this publicly available information and wrote hate mail, etc.
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I predict that the Life Giving Store will be at the forefront of (after purportedly finding discrepancies and/or problems with some of the products they obtain from a third party) calling for federal regulation in the supplement industry.
Edit: And since the Life Giving Store will be linked with the Ray Peat Forum, some people will wrongly conclude Peat's endorsement of this and that this is a 'continuation and improvement on the life's work of Ray Peat'.
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@jwayne said in New "Mission" of RPF:
@C-Mex The review on BBB matches the female name mentioned (plus an extra one) in the LLC data for both stores. Didn't someone mention charlie was recently divorced, or am I misremembering characters? Couldn't the names/address listed be correct for the actual store and accounts? If so, then its plausible someone easily found this publicly available information and wrote hate mail, etc.
Earlier on in this thread, there was a link to a guy's name as owner of the 'store' in FL, and his name was associated with some name/addresses in GA. I hadn't seen some of the profiles that you sent so they may be new. There's no physical store -- if you look at the addresses on a map they're in wooded and secluded residential areas, and one was in Florida and the second now in Georgia within this short span of time. I guess the guy's name might have been doxxed, hate mail, whatever, but the way 'Charlie' made it out sounded more like people were physically going after him or his store, but that just may have been my impression. Anyway, the whole thing is a fake, a front, and whoever 'Charlie' is or isn't, wasn't even genuine about having any relationship to the store to begin with. Maybe that link only became convenient to the narrative they are trying to sell much later.
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@Peatful said in New "Mission" of RPF:
@C-Mex ok
It was scrubbed
Which was appropriateI haven't doxxed anybody, nor have I revealed anything that isn't publicly available. Please refrain from instructing people what to post and contacting me privately.
You didn't have problem giving me his name when you thought I didn't know it.
Or telling me info that you said was on Twitter, but now claim was sent to you privately. Why did you want to know my username on RPF and was that the real reason you contacted me?
Edit: I didn't look very hard, but I wasn't able to corroborate any of these claims about the supposed 'Charlile' person. I presume this to be just another deflection to the 'Charlie is just a really bad guy' narrative.
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@C-Mex
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My opinion is he's a real guy. The idea that he's some mastermind disinformation agent is really just an insult to disinformation agents, lol. I think he's a normal dude who's honestly not that bright. It's entirely possible to slander someone and mislead people through sheer stupidity and not intentional malice. Charles strikes me as the latter.
The gig will be up in a year or two. It's really a matter of when, not if, other people realize this toxic bile theory isn't making them healthier. His revenue stream with his businesses will begin to dry up and stabilize on a fringe minority who "supports the cause." I think this was more or less just a rebranding of sorts to draw more financial opportunity.
Doxxing may be frowned upon but seriously, wtf is going to happen to this guy? Literally nothing. Worse case scenario he wakes up one morning and steps outside to see a million carrots sticking out of his yard
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Liver stuck to his window if we really wanted to horrify him
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Asking the same question about Garrett Smith is an entirely different story. This guy may very well be doing things out of intentional malice. Grant actually doesn't strike that way to me, but I've only seen one interview with Grant. His message was basically "try it, it works it works, if it doesn't it doesn't." Smith has made personal attacks against Peat inspired lifestyles for some reason. I don't know why, but it seems like he's grifting hard to grow the movement. It's real easy to attack different "spheres" on the periphery, and find those who aren't doing so well, convince them they've been lied to or led astray, and that they have the REAL answers. Maybe he's tapped into some of this energy. Wouldn't be that hard to do on RPF. Lets be honest for second, a lot of people had issues over there. None of it Ray's fault of course, mostly sheer stupidity on their behalf.
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@questforhealth Lmao! Yeah that would be better.
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@Mulloch94 said in New "Mission" of RPF:
My opinion is he's a real guy. The idea that he's some mastermind disinformation agent is really just an insult to disinformation agents, lol. I think he's a normal dude who's honestly not that bright. It's entirely possible to slander someone and mislead people through sheer stupidity and not intentional malice. Charles strikes me as the latter.
The gig will be up in a year or two. It's really a matter of when, not if, other people realize this toxic bile theory isn't making them healthier. His revenue stream with his businesses will begin to dry up and stabilize on" a fringe minority who "supports the cause." I think this was more or less just a rebranding of sorts to draw more financial opportunity.
Doxxing may be frowned upon but seriously, wtf is going to happen to this guy? Literally nothing. Worse case scenario he wakes up one morning and steps outside to see a million carrots sticking out of his yard
All we really know is that there is a person or persons names associated with the Life Giving Store, but that doesn't mean it has any relationship to "Charlie", and that link was only provided later by "Charlie".
We now know that the RPF is associated with Cambridge University, Dept of Pharmacology in the UK.
I doubt anybody was doxxed or harassed. It's all part of the narrative.
"Charlie" reminds of a caricature of what the Brits think of religious Trump followers who are also skeptical of big pharma and vaccines. Coincidentally when I was road-tripping through Eugene, I met and hung out with a lesbian British couple, who were nice enough when I drove them to swimming holes and other places, and gave them things to use on their trip to CA, but the night I was out drinking with them I saw what they really thought of Americans when we encountered a young drunk college student and they derided him as the typical stupid American. Pissed me off enough to make some comments of my own and walk away.
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@C-Mex Well a lot of businesses do have forum sponsors. If Charlie isn't running LGS then it's certainly probable he knows the people who run it.
I still don't know what to think about the Cambridge thing, it's seems circumstantial at best. Amazon reserves server space for the CIA, yet there's still a lot of legitimate people who use their server space as well.
The weird religious extremism is the one thing I absolutely agree with you on. This isn't your typical "live right by god" rhetoric. He's spewing all sorts of fringe conspiracy shit. From the outside it would definitely be a bad look for Trump supporters. You wouldn't want this guy to sell the MAGA pitch to a bunch of skeptical democrats for sure, lol.
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I think Charlie is probably just another "victim" of Garrett's propaganda. But because he has a platform, he useful in spreading Smith's message around.
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Not buying it. All of these people have an agenda beyond just selling products to the public, and the antagonistic messaging is even counter to the latter.
Edit: I'm certain the address has nothing to do with the server location. The Ray Peat Forum 'non-profit' is in the UK and the address is associated with the University of Cambridge Department of Pharmacology. I don't see any way that could be mistaken for a server location as these business information sites aren't getting that information. I think it would be like saying I'm from wherever the servers are that my internet service provider uses, and I don't see them even knowing that information.
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So they establish the online 'business' Life Giving Store in the heart of Trump country and the Bible Belt to try to establish legitimacy for the relationship to the RPF and 'Charlie's' religious and Trump leanings. Florida and Georgia (think Marjorie Taylor Greene, US Rep for Georgia).
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This may have been mentioned earlier, but Such Labs is/was also associated with the same male individual at the address given in Tallahassee FL, and the woman's name now associated with the Life Giving Store (address in Georgia) is also associated with the Florida address. All publicly available information.
I guess Such Labs was the precursor to the Life Giving Store? Did 'Charlie' ever claim any relationship to Such Labs?
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HMofG!! this thread has taken a dark turn. Good detective work everyone. The Cambridge University connection is a bit worrying not least because of the publications coming from the psychology department on health misinformation
https://www.sdmlab.psychol.cam.ac.uk/research/misinformation-publications
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Not to mention the echo (in my mind at least) of the works of Aleksandr Kogan and Cambridge Analytica.
Then again. ZoomInfo et al are notoriously schizo in their auto-connections. Still there must be a reason for that association. It's a strange one. I'm still on there, apparently working for several different outfits. When in reality I just moved on.
I would quite like an excuse to make the 2 hour drive and do this again. Would a meme RPF investigation land me in the bottom of the channels of little Venice. The time of year is certainly approaching to find out.
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@Peatly said in New "Mission" of RPF:
HMofG!! this thread has taken a dark turn. Good detective work everyone. The Cambridge University connection is a bit worrying not least because of the publications coming from the psychology department on health misinformation
https://www.sdmlab.psychol.cam.ac.uk/research/misinformation-publications
Very interesting. Great citations as to where things are and where they are going, and the author of the book links to WHO "Infodemic Management", etc. People have to realize just how large the online censorship apparatus is -- it's a mature industry -- but they still had problems with someone like Peat who didn't use social media and seemed to get attention from his website alone. Social media infiltration, 'prebunking', 'psychological innoculation', political bias in judging 'misinformation', 'accuracy nudging' and US conservatives...and more. It's all there. We were a perfect little test population, even though not all of us are conservatives.
Edit: It is particularly bothersome to me how much the censorship industry -- and now it appears the social media infiltration racket -- has permeated academia, and been offered and embraced as legitimate 'research'.
