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    b1 @noseleather
    last edited by Apr 15, 2024, 7:57 PM

    @noseleather I cant find any borax supplements unless you mean the cleaning / slime making stuff . https://www.amazon.co.uk/Dripak-Borax-substitute-500g-Pack/dp/B00F8AE83W/ref=sr_1_5?dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.Q9WsW9Y2GXtmAWpC-TsnBkoB0Kbhjvi39c8_OL4d5ZdWli6ckm_naF9mD31xClCnhVB-wKI0MbSFp7YZRVJbGxEtZlK8jmS39fG4lJaJTfNkA0WJT8C-XAYRlhL1laZR8LWMW75e0dTmN6aELiJlEaR6q9m_ENsE5J0HwZKWk5hYra59DHJADc_tzHctOuv0wbIoXpsx4Ivxi7q6vAQWKWLbH5a5d7paIGi50TpyJV0g9KM88Asm6z7tEiRfTXNaOVjRbxZM6wwdpCZ7yx8YS25o9JDH5P1rP439qh3tkSk.4e0lVpTHCdaHRoopBpD4T4EbAKn-t8S1schpoLWwLjw&dib_tag=se&keywords=borax%2Btablets&qid=1713210980&sr=8-5&th=1

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      noseleather @b1
      last edited by Apr 16, 2024, 3:52 AM

      @b1 yes i mean borax the cleaner lol. you can go actual boron supplements but borax cleaner is the ability to buy a massive amount at dirt cheap price, and appears to be 100% safe as well. 100 mule team is the known brand in the USA

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        ATP
        last edited by Apr 16, 2024, 5:31 PM

        Why take boron?

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          DavidPS @ATP
          last edited by Apr 16, 2024, 6:57 PM

          @ATP said in Boron supplements:

          Why take boron?

          It is used for bone and joint health.

          Essentiality of Boron for Healthy Bones and Joints

          Using Boron Supplementation in Cancer Prevention and Treatment: A Review Article

          ““Effective health care depends on self-care” - Ivan Illich, 👀
          ☂️

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            DavidPS
            last edited by Apr 16, 2024, 7:28 PM

            The Borax Conspiracy

            ““Effective health care depends on self-care” - Ivan Illich, 👀
            ☂️

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              BioEclectic
              last edited by BioEclectic Apr 17, 2024, 3:23 AM Apr 16, 2024, 8:09 PM

              The late Ted from Bangkok counseled many to take Boron a few days a week, and to take short breaks from it regularly. Pretty sure most of his Boron info is still posted at the Earth Clinic forum.

              Edit: here's some of Ted's info:
              https://www.earthclinic.com/search.php?search=Boron&r=&ps=1&rfs=1&qa=1&ts=1

              Here's an interesting post:
              How Borax Can Help Alleviate Arthritis Symptoms and More
              snip:
              *Borax is a natural remedy that can effectively treat various types of arthritis and joint problems. It's a low-cost and straightforward solution that can help alleviate symptoms of osteoarthritis, rheumatoid arthritis, psoriatic arthritis, ankylosing spondylitis, and more.

              Borax is a mineral compound used for medicinal purposes for centuries. It contains boron, which has anti-inflammatory and pain-relieving properties, making it an effective natural remedy for arthritis.*

              Here's an old archived Health and Longevity newsletter article titled Boron for Better Bones

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                BioEclectic
                last edited by BioEclectic Apr 18, 2024, 11:34 PM Apr 16, 2024, 9:38 PM

                Take the following with a grain of salt as commercial interests may be involved, or simply not properly researched for all i know ...

                A supposedly more therapeutic form of Boron, Calcium Fructoborate, CaFB, just one of many sugar borates.

                • Calcium Fructoborate: a novel nutrient for Bone & Joints
                • Calcium Fructoborate Kills Breast Cancer Cells​
                • Calcium Fructoborate Helps Symptoms of Osteoarthritis
                • The Treatment of Osteoporosis with Calcium Fructoborate
                • Calcium Fructoborate Lowers Inflammatory Nitric Oxide and IL-6.
                • Calcium Fructoborate Quiets Inflammatory Neutrophils
                • Calcium Fructoborate as an Antioxidant
                • Calcium Fructoborate Promotes Hormone Balance

                I've seen it relatively inexpensive in the past at Amazon by searching directly for Calcium Fructoborate or using a trademark name "Fruitex-B".

                Edit:

                Dr Hesslink (PDF):
                The Fructoborates: part of a family of naturally ocurring sugar complexes, biochemistry, physiology, and impact on human health - review (definitely read the introduction page at the very least)

                • Index of Dr Hesslinks other Boron articles.
                • I guess calcium is not necessary for a fructoborate to exist, and that there are multiple types, then there are also glucoborates.

                Edit: i know i can give @Amazoniac credit for some or most of these links. An interesting topic imo, will revisit.

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                  b1 @BioEclectic
                  last edited by Apr 16, 2024, 11:19 PM

                  @BioEclectic
                  On Amazon I can only find Calcium magnesium with boron. 😠
                  It may be because I'm not in USA.

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                    BioEclectic @b1
                    last edited by BioEclectic Apr 17, 2024, 3:35 AM Apr 16, 2024, 11:32 PM

                    @b1 said in Boron supplements:

                    @BioEclectic
                    On Amazon I can only find Calcium magnesium with boron. 😠
                    It may be because I'm not in USA

                    Meaning, you cannot find any form of Boron that doesn't include the additional minerals, or were you specifically searching for CaFB?

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                      b1 @BioEclectic
                      last edited by Apr 17, 2024, 9:21 AM

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                        b1 @BioEclectic
                        last edited by Apr 17, 2024, 9:22 AM

                        @BioEclectic
                        When I look up calcium fructoborate and the branded one. I can find other boron supplements though.

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                          Mauritio
                          last edited by Mauritio Nov 22, 2024, 4:57 PM Nov 22, 2024, 3:20 PM

                          Raisins are pretty good sources of boron averaging about 2mg/100mg. If you can find low PUFA ,sun dried ones. Should be good !

                          Raisins also have benefits on intestines, increasing transit speed and SCFA in the stool.
                          125g raisins/day decreased the transit time from 42h to 28h! That's a huge benefit.
                          I notice lessened constipation from raisins as well.

                          "Both sun-dried raisins and cream of tartar appear to be good stool softeners and to shorten intestinal transit time, although the fibre in sun-dried raisins has the added benefit of increasing faecal weight. Both sun-dried raisins and cream of tartar modulate the composition of faecal bile acids and SCFA in a way that has potential health benefits."

                          https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/13129449/

                          Dare to think.

                          My X:
                          x.com/Metabolicmonstr

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                            Mauritio
                            last edited by Nov 22, 2024, 3:39 PM

                            Boron lowers PTH and cortisol, while increasing vitamin D and osteocalcin in this animal study.
                            Osteocalcin is anabolic and androgenic . Just do quick search on it , it has some interesting pro-metabolic properties.

                            https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32739828/

                            Dare to think.

                            My X:
                            x.com/Metabolicmonstr

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                              Mauritio
                              last edited by Mauritio Nov 22, 2024, 4:19 PM Nov 22, 2024, 4:14 PM

                              This is probably the best post on boron (by Travis) .
                              I agree with the hypothesis that arthritis might be of fungal origin and that borons main effect is anti-fungal. Not only that it also protects against fungal toxins like aflatoxin (https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0946672X23000032)
                              It's wild that Travis took gram -amounts of boron. It is inherently non toxic , apparently less toxic than salt.

                              https://lowtoxinforum.com/threads/nothing-boring-about-boron.22805/post-451585

                              Dare to think.

                              My X:
                              x.com/Metabolicmonstr

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                                Lejeboca @Mauritio
                                last edited by Nov 28, 2024, 3:16 AM

                                @Mauritio
                                Travis also spoke about boron as a 'natural fluoride's antidote' :

                                "This [catechol‐O‐methyltransferase] enzyme can be safely inhibited with epicatechin gallate, found in high concentrations in green tea. However, green tea also has fluoride; this fact would make me add fluoride's natural antidote—boron—to the tea."

                                -- https://lowtoxinforum.com/threads/caffeine-and-progression-of-parkinson-disease-a-deleterious-interaction-with-creatine.7841/post-301043

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                                  Lejeboca @b1
                                  last edited by Lejeboca Nov 28, 2024, 3:31 AM Nov 28, 2024, 3:31 AM

                                  @b1 said in Boron supplements:

                                  I cant find any borax supplements unless you mean the cleaning / slime making stuff

                                  Indeed, to second @noseleather borax 'for cleaning' is good stuff. (modulo 'slime making' probably .lol)

                                  Anecdotally, I add Borax powder to wash my linens (and light-colored clothes). This is my only 'supplement' with Borax. Idealabs hair tests showed a good load of boron. This was my only change in boron consumption. (I used to and I do eat quite a bit of raisins too.)

                                  05/2024 -- Hair                                   05/2023 -- Hair 
                                  

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                                    Alomongerpete @Lejeboca
                                    last edited by Jan 18, 2025, 1:36 PM

                                    How much borax should I put in to the water when bathing?

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