The ethics of having children while in sub-standard metabolic condition
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@zawisza said in The ethics of having children while in sub-standard metabolic condition:
You are not helping yourself... It would be best if you would just stop speaking.
Strongly agree.
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@ThinPicking said in The ethics of having children while in sub-standard metabolic condition:
@zawisza said in The ethics of having children while in sub-standard metabolic condition:
You are not helping yourself... It would be best if you would just stop speaking.
Strongly agree.
OK, have a good life in your illusions
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How exactly did my thread become full of developing country politics? And do I have it correct that @Kvirion, who has warned me against an impending doom of industrial civilization brags about voting for a far-left party? It's like an arsonist warning me about a risk of my house burning down; or more precisely, like a CDR activist cautioning about possibility of anti-Tutsi riots in Rwanda. Dude, you're not some wise sage who has predicted a supposedly inevitable collapse, you are the collapse.
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It was a good set piece in context and you've topped it off perfectly sir.
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@DonkeyDude said in The ethics of having children while in sub-standard metabolic condition:
developing country
Excuse me but Poland is a 1st world developed country; it has Human Development Index in Top-40, higher than Portugal.
@DonkeyDude said in The ethics of having children while in sub-standard metabolic condition:
brags about voting for a far left party
Polish politics is such a joke that voting alone makes one worthy of ridicule, but that he voted for leftists makes me think he was trolling - I know that Peat had some fondness for commies but this is too much.
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For a Polish grandparent that could've pinched me. Then I remembered my own struggle to describe England a "developed" country. All things considered. And with a side of humour.
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@DonkeyDude said in The ethics of having children while in sub-standard metabolic condition:
How exactly did my thread become full of developing country politics? And do I have it correct that @Kvirion, who has warned me against an impending doom of industrial civilization brags about voting for a far left party? Is like an arsonist warning me about a risk of my house burning down; or more precisely, like a CDR activist cautioning about possibility of anti-Tutsi riots in Rwanda. Dude, you're not some wise sage who has predicted a supposedly inevitable collapse, you are the collapse.
LOL, do you suggest that the key criterion for judging someone is who someone votes for? That in such a way you can clearly pigeonhole me?
Have you heard about multi-criteria choices, dialectics, and multi-perspectivism?Or do you just "think" that one senator or president will save the world for you?
BTW @zawisza guessed well, I was joking about my vote because I don't respect superficial politics for the masses. No political party represents me well enough... They don't even get what was the original purpose of democracy invented in ancient Greece, etc. And most importantly politicians aren't (systemic) problem-solvers, they just chatter to pander to specific voters...
And yeah, I may agree that our political offtopic here was inappropriate, sorry for that.
BTW Polad was always a noble country in Europe with a great tradition, but unfortunately in a bad geographical place/space - and through history was mostly fucked by East or West (alternating)...
Back to the topic - have you heard about the four renowned schools of sense-making? Do you have any idea about in-depth ontology, epistemology, and phenomenology being used in advanced decision-making? Or rather you're making judgments based on your pretty limited scope of knowledge (or rather a scope of unconscious ignorance)?
BTW this reminds me of a quote:Thinking is difficult, therefore let the herd pronounce judgment! — Carl Jung
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@Kvirion said in The ethics of having children while in sub-standard metabolic condition:
No political party represents me well enough...
Are you sure? Last time I checked they have plenty of buffoons. (Joke)
@Kvirion said in The ethics of having children while in sub-standard metabolic condition:
Or rather you're making judgments based on your pretty limited scope of knowledge (or rather a scope of unconscious ignorance)?
Whenever someone refers to Dunning-Kruger effect in their argument it's 100% of the time a bad take.
@Kvirion said in The ethics of having children while in sub-standard metabolic condition:
They don't even get what was the original purpose of democracy invented in ancient Greece
With every comment you make yourself seem more and more obnoxious.
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@zawisza said in The ethics of having children while in sub-standard metabolic condition:
Are you sure? Last time I checked they have plenty of buffoons. (Joke)
LOL! I simply know my value... BTW I don't claim that I'm smarter than anybody else, I just have done my homework - how to make sense of things and how to get things done for the common good.
Usually, some politician has some good diagnosis, but their "cure" is most often worse than the issue itself...
Most politicians are just empty shells, they only offer superficial symbols or slogans without any idea of how to properly make things better... ("By their deeds, you will know them")Just read for example "Systemantics: The System's Bible" or simply carefully watch Nora's video and you will see it...
With every comment you make yourself seem more and more obnoxious.
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@Kvirion said in The ethics of having children while in sub-standard metabolic condition:
simply carefully watch Nora's video
hahahahahhahahahah
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@zawisza said in The ethics of having children while in sub-standard metabolic condition:
hahahahahhahahahah
Again, no substantive discussion, just poor (close-minded) judgment...
I feel sorry for you... I hope you will someday free yourself from your prejudices and start thinking independently and systematically...
However, unfortunately - you are currently just behaving as an infantile wounded zealot - from now on my blacklist -> blocked.
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@Kvirion said in The ethics of having children while in sub-standard metabolic condition:
They don't even get what was the original purpose of democracy invented in ancient Greece, etc. And most importantly politicians aren't (systemic) problem-solvers, they just chatter to pander to specific voters...
It's not their job to get it, it's yours. And to continuously remind them of it.
It's also not their job to be problem-solvers, they're law makers. Book keepers. So tell them. What to write down and what to rub out.
Probably a good idea to read directive 2017/1132 and work backwards to domestic statute. Beginning to read legalese is a bit like us all reading studies on sci-hub from 2011. The more you do it. The more you comprehend. As if by magic.
Quite a bit of work to be done. And no rest for the wicked.
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@ThinPicking said in The ethics of having children while in sub-standard metabolic condition:
It's not their job to get it, it's yours. And to continuously remind them of it.
Putting the main burden on the individual is a mistake (or just a dirty political trick). The whole society (politicians and citizens) should work together on systemically solving problems.
Quite a bit of work to be done. And no rest for the wicked.
Agreed!
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@Kvirion said in The ethics of having children while in sub-standard metabolic condition:
Putting the main burden on the individual is a mistake (or just a dirty political trick). The whole society (politicians and citizens) should work together on systemically solving problems.
Why the hell do you think I'm bothering to talk to you.
Have a nice evening Kvirion.
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@ThinPicking said in The ethics of having children while in sub-standard metabolic condition:
Have a nice evening Kvirion.
Thank you, the same for you!
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@zawisza said in The ethics of having children while in sub-standard metabolic condition:
For the sake of my consciousness I'll add that it's very important to be wary of any psych meds and psychiatrists since very few have a moral compass of any sort, but you probably know this better than I.
Since this thread got derailed anyway: I thought I've seen it all, but there's always a new low, I guess. When I recently went to a psychiatrist I expected he'll notice I'm fishing for a welfare-able diagnosis and send me off to a therapist with maybe a SSRI prescription.
Instead, he has apparently made a diagnosis of schizophrenia in like five minutes (based on some bland description of talking to a voice in my head and general paranoia) and then basically walked me through the DSM symptoms. I.e. I'd say something such as "people generally don't like me and I feel they're talking about me negatively behind my back" and he would respond: "so you feel there's a sinister conspiracy against you?". Then he started pressuring me into taking antipsychotics and checking myself into a mental hospital for a weeks-long evaluation. The whole experience felt more like buying an used car than seeking health advice.
And it is downright scary when I think about how many credulous people who just are severely sleep deprived and under a lot of pressure will be shuttled into likely lifetime medication with dangerous drugs based on a not even a hour long visit. Now I'm even more paranoid.
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@DonkeyDude Please be careful – we are in a time where almost everything can be pathologised and medicated. The consequences are dire in the long run.
This is a Corbett report on the DSM from a few years ago - things are ever worse now than they were.
Meet the DSM: Big Pharma’s Psychiatric BibleYou can only protect yourself if you know the truth (or at least get as close to the truth as possible)
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@DonkeyDude
Absolutely incredible...
Thanks for sharing.
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@Atman said in The ethics of having children while in sub-standard metabolic condition:
Did you get the neetbux?
Getting it was going to be a months-long process and now I'm not sure if I want to continue. It was truly terrifying how as soon as this guy decided I'm a paranoid schizophrenic (which is supposed to be a months-long process rather than a snap diagnosis) he no longer approached me like an adult making a difficult decision but rather like some retarded child who needs to be forced into the system at any cost. And, despite insisting he's not giving me a final diagnosis (this was supposed to happen during hospitalization) he did prescribe an antipsychotic with terrible side effects (which he dismissed when I raised the issue).
Basically, right now I'm scared about the whole experience and the fact that the S-word might now be in my medical documentation. I'm paranoid that I might end up in some ward under "care" of a doctor like that; at this point even if I actually thought I do have schizophrenia I would take my chances on the outside of the system. I might try the anxiety/depression angle in the future, I'm not sure. Right now learning German and moving to Germany to take care of elders seems like a more appealing alternative. Maybe I would get some neetbux there.
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@DonkeyDude
Good luck then. I think there is no other country in which it is easier to get neetbux than in Germany. Of course in general, I despise the welfare state system and people who abuse it, but since we are currently in an era of decline and we desperately need a major societal crisis, I encourage anyone to abuse the rotten system as much as possible to accelerate the inevitable.In regards to the medical system, yes, it's best to stay as far away from it as possible. The are only a few exceptions like trauma surgery when you have fallen from a rootop or something similar.
