Glucose loading cures everything?
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Exactly. Every hit likely has a negative and lasting impact. I'm hoping the glucose will reset your brain and health! I have been in car accidents (whiplash), fell on ice and whacked my head on concrete, and had a very stressful childhood. Two of my three sisters took their own lives. I could sure use a brain reset!
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@evan-hinkle said in Glucose loading cures everything?:
@visalibero I’ve had cavities, (improved with vitamin k) and gum recession that hasn’t responded to antibiotics, (low dose longer term, tried doxy, penicillin, mino). Also my teeth tend to get soft no matter my calcium to phosphorus ratio.
The glucose makes them hard smooth and shiny. I don’t feel the need to brush right after because my oral heal feels improved directly by the glucose.
It’s crazy, but I’ve learned over the years to try things before I get too theoretically dogmatic. I was dogmatic about vegetables, chronic exercise, marijuana, and later veganism, and the lesson for me was: stop being dogmatic.
What product are you using for the glucose?
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@S-Holmes that’s what I find so appealing about this idea of glucose. We all experience this kind of stress, and it really seems like, (whether we’re talking about physical, emotional, or psychological stress) the outcomes are the same. It’s all so rooted in Peat, and Selye, and their frameworks.
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@evan-hinkle It IS! Now if I can just figure out how to increase my amount to therapeutic levels. I'll be drinking syrup! No way could I afford that many glucose tablets!
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@Sunniva I’m using nutricost dextrose powder. I got the 5lb tub, but I think next time I’ll get the 10lb one.
Other than thyroid vitamin E and occasional vitamin K/aspirin I’m not taking anything else. For me, that’s pretty incredible by itself.
I had a period of about a week where I ran out of cynomel and the glucose still kept me sleeping very well, and feeling overall better than I would normally without thyroid.
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@evan-hinkle I take a boatload of supplements. I may cut back and see what happens.
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@ThinPicking said in Glucose loading cures everything?:
@Insomniac said in Glucose loading cures everything?:
This is the video of Garrett calling Dr. Stephens a crook. It starts at the attack.
Thank you for timestamping that.
My pleasure.
That's a defamation lawsuit right there unless it's true. Calling a Dr. of Psychology a fraud/"shyster" is serious.
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@Insomniac so I listened to this with a somewhat open mind, (unfortunately I can’t help but judge this particular guy when I see/hear him - just something seems off putting to me) but it seems like he hasn’t actually listened to Dr Stephens, and I say this because Dr Stephens intends glucose to be a temporary therapy. Once you correct the effects of a glucose limiting injury you stop taking glucose. In the video, Smith says, maybe temporarily glucose could have a positive effect, (like filling glycogen stores) but long term any sugar powder is going to be bad. It seems to me, that this is exactly what Dr Stephens is suggesting… indicating that perhaps Smith has not looked too deeply into it.
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Yeah, he didn't seem familiar with the protocol and he was obviously looking for reasons to put dextrose therapy down but I agreed with all of his reasons to be skeptical of Stevens and it's good to make sure he is credible which just takes a little time and effort. Maybe some patient interviews would help.
Smith's major point is that a 100% cure rate is absurd and proves Stephens is a fraud and I agree a perfect cure rate is hard to believe but Stephens adds that this applies to people who "complete" his program so maybe there's some nuance to this.
If there is any chance he's faking success then I would want to know before getting my hopes up.
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The protocol has merit, and is ironically becoming a full circle moment for the RPF. Dr. Stephens and Ray are touching in the same idea but from different perspectives.
It’s odd nobody considered dextrose years ago instead of blowing themselves up on table sugar.
As for Garrett, that’s his canned response for new ideas unless you drown him with research papers like what happened with niacin. He’s established his ecosystem and isn’t going to upset the apple cart.
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@Jaffe I’ve been thinking the same thing. Like the elephant in the room is this is essentially Peat’s work with a minor nuance. Loading glucose instead of fixing oxidative phosphorylation so you can make glucose without gluconeogenesis.
FWIW, I always had trouble with digestion, and so it just makes sense to me to take glucose directly. Though like usual, I’m sure Peat’s approach is more appropriate and obviously respectful to the elegance of life.
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I also have a history of sports related head trauma, terrible digestion, random mood swings, sub clinical hypothyroidism. My early experience with dextrose has been very promising.
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The reason to focus on the 100% cure-all claim is because it would be absurd to assume that he is only lying about one thing. Anyone who agrees that this is a lie has no rational reason to assume the rest of his claims are honest.
These forums are filled will people that have been tricked over and over again. Many have been injured dozens of times. Lives have been ruined and lost from frauds trying to make a buck but people can't stop getting sucked in because they're desperate.
I'm just tired of getting tricked into stupid protocols that don't work but hopefully god did in fact to talk to Dr. Stephens and then directed him to the greatest discovery of all time and it was right under our noses all along,
Dextrose is cheap, easy and all my food tastes better. It even cures structurally damaged brains and has no downside at all except that it sounds too good to be true.
My one other thought is that placebos are very effective. They have the ability to alter our physiology. Combining the promise of a cure and then consuming large amounts of a white powder all day should create a very powerful placebo effect and this is why you need decent research and testing to see if it actual works. A few positive anecdotes are not a substitute for testing although they are nice to hear.
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@Insomniac said in Glucose loading cures everything?:
except that it sounds too good to be true
You have good ears in my opinion. Because it's manufactured by hydrolytic and enzymatic process. Although someone could make a case that extraction of sugar is similar. I wouldn't personally.
Honey contains it unbonded, but it's often if not always heavier in fructose. And other stuff.
I get the feeling something is underlying all of this. I think it's this...
@ThinPicking said in Glucose loading cures everything?:
Which led me to think it might be osmotic.
Or rather, hydrodynamic.
But I would say that. I've occasionally schizo-posted about fluid dynamics for a while, and other people nudged me there. Maybe it's something else.
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Also Torrens posted this yesterday. And had posted previously an indication he had perspiration issues.
And sure enough...
https://www.google.com/search?q=epilepsy+fluid+balance+study
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@Jaffe said in Glucose loading cures everything?:
It’s odd nobody considered dextrose years ago instead of blowing themselves up on table sugar.
I think because Ray said that you should never take glucose without some fructose (was it because of the insulin spike? I cannot remember), so Ray advocated that sugar could be therapeutic but has never, as far as I know, advocated for using just dextrose/glucose. May somebody correct if I'm wrong about this.
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I think because Ray said that you should never take glucose without some fructose (was it because of the insulin spike? I cannot remember), so Ray advocated that sugar could be therapeutic but has never, as far as I know, advocated for using just dextrose/glucose. May somebody correct if I'm wrong about this.
Right. In Dr. Peat's interviews he would say starch was inferior because it was pure glucose and therefore more fattening by causing a larger insulin spike.
Dextrose powder will be more effective at increasing blood glucose and inducing hyperglycemia than table sugar.
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@ThinPicking said in Glucose loading cures everything?:
You have good ears in my opinion. Because it's manufactured by hydrolytic and enzymatic process. Although someone could make a case that extraction of sugar is similar. I wouldn't personally.
Honey contains it unbonded, but it's often if not always heavier in fructose. And other stuff.
I get the feeling something is underlying all of this. I think it's this...
@ThinPicking said in Glucose loading cures everything?:
Which led me to think it might be osmotic.
Or rather, hydrodynamic.
But I would say that. I've occasionally schizo-posted about fluid dynamics for a while, and other people nudged me there. Maybe it's something else.
Damn! Now I have to learn about fluid dynamics lol. I'm completely ignorant on the topic.
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@Insomniac said in Glucose loading cures everything?:
Dextrose is cheap, easy and all my food tastes better. It even cures structurally damaged brains and has no downside at all except that it sounds too good to be true.
Missing/deformed tissue is a limitation. He makes this point in one of his presentations that’s been shared on RPF.
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@Jaffe said in Glucose loading cures everything?:
Missing/deformed tissue is a limitation. He makes this point in one of his presentations that’s been shared on RPF.
Then he should revise his cure rate.
Btw, the common term for a placebo is a sugar pill. But you might as well call it glucose or dextrose pill which Stevens recommends getting from the pharmacy.
I'm open minded to the possibility that he's discovered something amazing. It would be an earth shattering, world changing discovery and I hope it's for real but let's look through the evidence that he's collected and vet him and his results completely. Then we can nominate him for a Nobel prize because he would deserve it if it's all true.