Thyroid Supplementation safety?

T3/T4 supplementation safe if one has heart disease?

Serotoninskeptic

@RawGoatMilk88 May i ask what exactly is your heart condition?

I plan on putting my father on Tyronene, he had a heart attack a couple years ago and lost about 50% functionality of his heart.

Serotoninskeptic

@RawGoatMilk88 What is his heart rate and temp?

@Serotoninskeptic

Heart rate is in the 40’s consistently, no temp data to go off of.

Serotoninskeptic

@RawGoatMilk88 I would say its safe to give it a try. Just start with small doses and track his pulse often

Jennifer

@RawGoatMilk88, when someone has heart disease, my first suspicion is hypothyroidism, and I put my own father on thyroid after he had bypass surgery. Dr. Broda Barnes observed a 94% reduction in coronary heart disease in the 1,569 patients he treated for hypothyroidism using desiccated thyroid. Here is a quote by Ray you might find useful:

“If someone is in a precarious condition, even smaller amounts of thyroid at a time might be better. For example, a man in the hospital right after a heart attack started taking one mcg per hour; the doctors had said that at the rate his enzymes were rising they would be expected to keep rising for another day, but they started decreasing exactly when he started the small doses, and they had decreased the next day when he left the hospital, without symptoms. T3, sugar, and aspirin are the most heart-protective things.”

https://raypeatforum.com/wiki/index.php/Ray_Peat_Email_Exchanges#Thyroid_Hormones

@Jennifer

Great info thank you, since posting this I have read Broda Barnes book on heart disease. Very informative, getting him on small doses throughout the day very soon here.

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GreekDemiGod

Definitely monitor with blood tests and make sure he doesn't go hyper from the meds. That will put a strain on the heart.

Mossy

@Jennifer said in Thyroid Supplementation safety?:

@RawGoatMilk88, when someone has heart disease, my first suspicion is hypothyroidism, and I put my own father on thyroid after he had bypass surgery. Dr. Broda Barnes observed a 94% reduction in coronary heart disease in the 1,569 patients he treated for hypothyroidism using desiccated thyroid. Here is a quote by Ray you might find useful:

“If someone is in a precarious condition, even smaller amounts of thyroid at a time might be better. For example, a man in the hospital right after a heart attack started taking one mcg per hour; the doctors had said that at the rate his enzymes were rising they would be expected to keep rising for another day, but they started decreasing exactly when he started the small doses, and they had decreased the next day when he left the hospital, without symptoms. T3, sugar, and aspirin are the most heart-protective things.”

https://raypeatforum.com/wiki/index.php/Ray_Peat_Email_Exchanges#Thyroid_Hormones

Hey Jennifer, I'm curious if you started your father right away on the NDT, with the 4:1, T4:T3 ratio, and if that was his first time on it? I ask after listening to Danny Roddy mention that some may have to work up to the ratio of NDT, starting with only T3, or a 1:1 ratio of T4:T3. If you had success right off the bat with the NDT, maybe it is worth jumping right into it. I ask as I prepare myself and my father for possible thyroid supplementation.

Jennifer

You’re welcome, @RawGoatMilk88.

@Mossy, I started my dad on NDT and it was his first time taking thyroid, yes. Knowing that Dr. Barnes used NDT on his patients and thyroid glands were a regular part of my ancestors’ diet, I felt more comfortable starting him on desiccated thyroid. I felt so comfortable with it, I planned on supplementing it indefinitely myself after optimizing my thyroid function, to mitigate the stress of living in a cold climate and being a caregiver, and I just came across this quote by Ray the other day that supports the idea:

“[T3 for someone who's been chronically running on adrenaline?] When T3 is used in small doses, such as 3 or 4 mcg at a time, it can be very effective for lowering adrenalin by letting glucose be more fully oxidized. It’s helpful to keep a chart of your waking and midday temperature and pulse rate to watch the cumulative effects of the T3, so you can adjust the dose. A dose at bedtime typically makes it possible to go to sleep quickly; it should be supported by things like orange juice, cheese, and milk. A natural desiccated thyroid product, in the long run, is a convenient way to keep your metabolic rate where it should be.”

https://raypeatforum.com/wiki/index.php/Ray_Peat_Email_Exchanges#Thyroid_Hormo

Mossy

@Jennifer said in Thyroid Supplementation safety?:

You’re welcome, @RawGoatMilk88.

@Mossy, I started my dad on NDT and it was his first time taking thyroid, yes. Knowing that Dr. Barnes used NDT on his patients and thyroid glands were a regular part of my ancestors’ diet, I felt more comfortable starting him on desiccated thyroid. I felt so comfortable with it, I planned on supplementing it indefinitely myself after optimizing my thyroid function, to mitigate the stress of living in a cold climate and being a caregiver, and I just came across this quote by Ray the other day that supports the idea:

“[T3 for someone who's been chronically running on adrenaline?] When T3 is used in small doses, such as 3 or 4 mcg at a time, it can be very effective for lowering adrenalin by letting glucose be more fully oxidized. It’s helpful to keep a chart of your waking and midday temperature and pulse rate to watch the cumulative effects of the T3, so you can adjust the dose. A dose at bedtime typically makes it possible to go to sleep quickly; it should be supported by things like orange juice, cheese, and milk. A natural desiccated thyroid product, in the long run, is a convenient way to keep your metabolic rate where it should be.”

https://raypeatforum.com/wiki/index.php/Ray_Peat_Email_Exchanges#Thyroid_Hormo

Great. Thank you. Good to know it can be used for beginners.

Jennifer

You’re welcome, @Mossy.