Waking up at 3AM

GuantanamO'Shea

If memory serves it's usually either the liver running out of glycogen or potentially a lack of salt. I find most of my sleep issues could be solved with a large glass of OJ with some salt added (unironically delicious). As nice as ice cream is I find chilled dairy more difficult to digest, especially at night.

donovan

@GuantanamO-Shea second this, it’s the lack of salt. As soon as i started adding small amount salt to my ice cream i would sleep entirely throughout the night, if i ever forgot salt I’d wake up at 2am to piss

eric

@skylark I may not be eating enough total. I'm trying to eat more consistently throughout the day but I'm likely failing at this on maybe half of the days of the week. I'll make this adjustment, thank you.

The excessive protein before bed could be a cause as well, I'm usually eating half a pound of ground beef around 8pm.

@GuantanamO-Shea @Donovan I get quite a lot of salt during the day, but I'll try making sure I get some right before bed.

Thanks for the feedback everyone, I'll try all of these and report back.

donovan

@eric try salty cheese and a bit of juice

Fructose

@eric Milk and honey before sleep

eric

@Donovan @Fructose will try these

summarizing:

eat more regularly throughout day
stay hydrated
don't eat too much protein close to bed
keep salt intake high
OJ and cheese with salt before bed instead of ice cream, or start salting ice cream
or milk with honey before bed

Fructose

@eric Waking up at 3 a.m. is a classic symptom of hyperactive adrenal glands. Peat's diet should help. It has helped me significantly and my sleep is very regenerating.

In one clinical trial, milk with honey before bed showed high effectiveness compared to placebo and sleep medications. I'll send them later.

eric

@Fructose great, thank you. I've been feeling better every day since I started taking eating seriously, like I said this is the only negative change I've noticed. I'm thinking maybe my metabolism has rapidly sped up and my liver is lagging behind, so I'm just burning through all my glycogen really quickly at night.

Fructose

@eric this is most likely. So just drink milk with lots of honey. Fructose effectively rebuilds glycogen because it is metabolized in the liver.

eric

another possible culprit I just recognized: taking aspirin in the evening (6pm). going to cut that out too

brad

@eric When you say you've started taking it seriously, what are you doing? Diet changes? Thyroid? Could be helpful to diagnose.

eric

@brad said in Waking up at 3AM:

@eric When you say you've started taking it seriously, what are you doing? Diet changes? Thyroid? Could be helpful to diagnose.

Eliminated all major dietary sources of PUFA except eggs
Eliminated all grains, most complex carbs
Added lots of sugar to diet
Added gelatin to diet
300mg aspirin 2x a day
2 minutes of 830nm red light on thyroid EoD

Diet
Breakfast: 2 eggs cooked in butter, one piece of 100% grass fed bacon, 16oz fresh squeezed strained OJ, one cup coffee with milk

Lunch: Carrot salad, then 30min later, some kind of soup with lots of gelatin (oxtail, borscht), mexican coke

Dinner: 1/2lb 100% grass fed ground beef with liver and heart, gelatin added, Mexican coke or OJ or sugared milk

Before bed: Vanilla ice cream, no additives

throughout the day drink ~1L of sugared whole 100% grass fed raw milk

One dose estroban, plus an additional 2-4mg of mk-4.

Night and day difference in my energy levels, I feel energized well into the evening whereas before I'd hit a wall. Brain fog dissipated. Family history of hypothyroidism (every other member of my family is on thyroid). Got like 30 blood tests done this morning and I'm waiting on those to come back.

LinDaiyu

@eric I think you need more calcium there laddie.

brad

@eric Very nice, impressive work. What are your total calories and macros and when do you take the estroban?

eric

@LinDaiyu said in Waking up at 3AM:

@eric I think you need more calcium there laddie.

I made eggshell calcium powder for the first time today

eric

@brad said in Waking up at 3AM:

@eric Very nice, impressive work. What are your total calories and macros and when do you take the estroban?

I don't have a clue on total calories and macros other than that I think it's possible I'm under eating. I've lost 5 pounds since I started this, though that may have been water weight. I've had persistent gut issues with lots of bloating, and it's completely dissipated since I started peating. My stomach stays flat all day. I might try tracking calories since it should be pretty easy with how simple this diet is. I'm 5'11" and 158lbs.

I take the estroban in the morning, and the isolated mk-4 before bed.

Also I think I'm getting quite a lot of salt. I heavily salt my eggs, the soup, and the ground beef.

brad

@eric Sometimes when the thyroid is "waking up" background cortisol levels are revealed and that causes nervousness and little sleep. Not sure if that's what's going on here but if it is that then it should dissipate in a week or two.

eric

@brad great, thanks for the perspective. I'll stay the course

eric

last night I:

Skipped the nighttime K2
Skipped the 6PM aspirin (took at 3pm instead)
Skipped the ice cream
Drank a big glass of warm milk with lots of honey

well, no dice. woke up again at 3AM like clockwork and had trouble falling back asleep like I typically do. I didn't have any juice on hand so I drank another glass of milk with honey, and fell asleep maybe an hour later.

today I'll try

Eating more throughout the day
Taking more salt before bed

eric

Following up here, this problem seems to be getting better. I started taking progesterone, so that may have something to do with it, though I don't know what the mechanism would be. The time I wake up has been getting later and later, now it's around 6AM instead of 3AM, and I have an easier time falling back asleep. @brad 's assessment was probably correct