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    Fructose @eric
    last edited by Jan 31, 2024, 10:30 PM

    @eric this is most likely. So just drink milk with lots of honey. Fructose effectively rebuilds glycogen because it is metabolized in the liver.

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      eric
      last edited by Feb 1, 2024, 3:13 AM

      another possible culprit I just recognized: taking aspirin in the evening (6pm). going to cut that out too

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        brad @eric
        last edited by Feb 1, 2024, 3:39 AM

        @eric When you say you've started taking it seriously, what are you doing? Diet changes? Thyroid? Could be helpful to diagnose.

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          eric @brad
          last edited by Feb 1, 2024, 3:59 AM

          @brad said in Waking up at 3AM:

          @eric When you say you've started taking it seriously, what are you doing? Diet changes? Thyroid? Could be helpful to diagnose.

          1. Eliminated all major dietary sources of PUFA except eggs
          2. Eliminated all grains, most complex carbs
          3. Added lots of sugar to diet
          4. Added gelatin to diet
          5. 300mg aspirin 2x a day
          6. 2 minutes of 830nm red light on thyroid EoD

          Diet
          Breakfast: 2 eggs cooked in butter, one piece of 100% grass fed bacon, 16oz fresh squeezed strained OJ, one cup coffee with milk

          Lunch: Carrot salad, then 30min later, some kind of soup with lots of gelatin (oxtail, borscht), mexican coke

          Dinner: 1/2lb 100% grass fed ground beef with liver and heart, gelatin added, Mexican coke or OJ or sugared milk

          Before bed: Vanilla ice cream, no additives

          throughout the day drink ~1L of sugared whole 100% grass fed raw milk

          One dose estroban, plus an additional 2-4mg of mk-4.

          Night and day difference in my energy levels, I feel energized well into the evening whereas before I'd hit a wall. Brain fog dissipated. Family history of hypothyroidism (every other member of my family is on thyroid). Got like 30 blood tests done this morning and I'm waiting on those to come back.

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            LinDaiyu @eric
            last edited by Feb 1, 2024, 4:11 AM

            @eric I think you need more calcium there laddie.

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              brad @eric
              last edited by Feb 1, 2024, 4:13 AM

              @eric Very nice, impressive work. What are your total calories and macros and when do you take the estroban?

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                eric @LinDaiyu
                last edited by Feb 1, 2024, 5:13 AM

                @LinDaiyu said in Waking up at 3AM:

                @eric I think you need more calcium there laddie.

                I made eggshell calcium powder for the first time today 👍

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                  eric @brad
                  last edited by eric Feb 1, 2024, 5:17 AM Feb 1, 2024, 5:16 AM

                  @brad said in Waking up at 3AM:

                  @eric Very nice, impressive work. What are your total calories and macros and when do you take the estroban?

                  I don't have a clue on total calories and macros other than that I think it's possible I'm under eating. I've lost 5 pounds since I started this, though that may have been water weight. I've had persistent gut issues with lots of bloating, and it's completely dissipated since I started peating. My stomach stays flat all day. I might try tracking calories since it should be pretty easy with how simple this diet is. I'm 5'11" and 158lbs.

                  I take the estroban in the morning, and the isolated mk-4 before bed.

                  Also I think I'm getting quite a lot of salt. I heavily salt my eggs, the soup, and the ground beef.

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                    brad @eric
                    last edited by Feb 1, 2024, 5:41 AM

                    @eric Sometimes when the thyroid is "waking up" background cortisol levels are revealed and that causes nervousness and little sleep. Not sure if that's what's going on here but if it is that then it should dissipate in a week or two.

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                      eric @brad
                      last edited by Feb 1, 2024, 5:46 AM

                      @brad great, thanks for the perspective. I'll stay the course

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                        eric
                        last edited by Feb 1, 2024, 6:36 PM

                        last night I:

                        • Skipped the nighttime K2
                        • Skipped the 6PM aspirin (took at 3pm instead)
                        • Skipped the ice cream
                        • Drank a big glass of warm milk with lots of honey

                        well, no dice. woke up again at 3AM like clockwork and had trouble falling back asleep like I typically do. I didn't have any juice on hand so I drank another glass of milk with honey, and fell asleep maybe an hour later.

                        today I'll try

                        • Eating more throughout the day
                        • Taking more salt before bed
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                          eric
                          last edited by Feb 5, 2024, 11:13 PM

                          Following up here, this problem seems to be getting better. I started taking progesterone, so that may have something to do with it, though I don't know what the mechanism would be. The time I wake up has been getting later and later, now it's around 6AM instead of 3AM, and I have an easier time falling back asleep. @brad 's assessment was probably correct

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                            brad @eric
                            last edited by Feb 6, 2024, 3:47 AM

                            @eric Glad to hear it's dissipating. Your sleep should actually improve in quality (observable by the coherence, vividness, complexity of dreams) with a well-functioning thyroid. I do take progesterone for sleep some nights when I'm feeling "wired." Red light, epsom salt baths, or magnesium (citrate or glycinate) also help. Cyproheptadine (very small dose) works wonders but it can leave me drowsy the next day.

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                              Testiclies @eric
                              last edited by Oct 24, 2024, 3:19 PM

                              @eric it's been a while - do you have any updates on this? You managed to fix the iisue?

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                                serotoninskeptic @eric
                                last edited by Oct 26, 2024, 11:38 AM

                                @eric Sugar and glycine before bed helps me sleep through the night. Avoid high protein meals too close to your sleeping time

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