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    eric
    last edited by Jan 31, 2024, 7:53 PM

    I started taking peating seriously about a month ago. The sole negative symptom I have is that I've begun waking up at 3AM feeling relatively relatively energized in a somewhat uncomfortable way (cortisol perhaps?). I also typically feel pretty hot. Could I be running out of glycogen? I've tried eating a lot of ice cream before bed but it's had no effect. Could I just have poor glycogen storage capacity in my liver? Any ideas? I go to sleep around 11.

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      skylark @eric
      last edited by Jan 31, 2024, 8:21 PM

      @eric I get this if I take a break from the gym & then overtrain upon returning, especially if I'm not eating enough. Are you eating regularly throughout the day, not letting yourself get hungry? It's not just before bed but frequent meals all day that keep glycogen supply stable. Dehydration can lead to overheating during the night. Too much protein before bed can cause a sudden drop in blood sugar a few hours later. Sometimes any meal too close to bed time will disturb sleep.

      Good things are immeasurably costly

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        GuantanamO'Shea
        last edited by Jan 31, 2024, 8:42 PM

        If memory serves it's usually either the liver running out of glycogen or potentially a lack of salt. I find most of my sleep issues could be solved with a large glass of OJ with some salt added (unironically delicious). As nice as ice cream is I find chilled dairy more difficult to digest, especially at night.

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          donovan @GuantanamO'Shea
          last edited by Jan 31, 2024, 9:14 PM

          @GuantanamO-Shea second this, it’s the lack of salt. As soon as i started adding small amount salt to my ice cream i would sleep entirely throughout the night, if i ever forgot salt I’d wake up at 2am to piss

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            eric @skylark
            last edited by Jan 31, 2024, 10:10 PM

            @skylark I may not be eating enough total. I'm trying to eat more consistently throughout the day but I'm likely failing at this on maybe half of the days of the week. I'll make this adjustment, thank you.

            The excessive protein before bed could be a cause as well, I'm usually eating half a pound of ground beef around 8pm.

            @GuantanamO-Shea @Donovan I get quite a lot of salt during the day, but I'll try making sure I get some right before bed.

            Thanks for the feedback everyone, I'll try all of these and report back.

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              donovan @eric
              last edited by Jan 31, 2024, 10:18 PM

              @eric try salty cheese and a bit of juice

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                Fructose @eric
                last edited by Jan 31, 2024, 10:20 PM

                @eric Milk and honey before sleep

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                  eric @eric
                  last edited by Jan 31, 2024, 10:24 PM

                  @Donovan @Fructose will try these

                  summarizing:

                  • eat more regularly throughout day
                  • stay hydrated
                  • don't eat too much protein close to bed
                  • keep salt intake high
                  • OJ and cheese with salt before bed instead of ice cream, or start salting ice cream
                  • or milk with honey before bed
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                    Fructose @eric
                    last edited by Jan 31, 2024, 10:26 PM

                    @eric Waking up at 3 a.m. is a classic symptom of hyperactive adrenal glands. Peat's diet should help. It has helped me significantly and my sleep is very regenerating.

                    In one clinical trial, milk with honey before bed showed high effectiveness compared to placebo and sleep medications. I'll send them later.

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                      eric @Fructose
                      last edited by Jan 31, 2024, 10:28 PM

                      @Fructose great, thank you. I've been feeling better every day since I started taking eating seriously, like I said this is the only negative change I've noticed. I'm thinking maybe my metabolism has rapidly sped up and my liver is lagging behind, so I'm just burning through all my glycogen really quickly at night.

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                        Fructose @eric
                        last edited by Jan 31, 2024, 10:30 PM

                        @eric this is most likely. So just drink milk with lots of honey. Fructose effectively rebuilds glycogen because it is metabolized in the liver.

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                          eric
                          last edited by Feb 1, 2024, 3:13 AM

                          another possible culprit I just recognized: taking aspirin in the evening (6pm). going to cut that out too

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                            brad @eric
                            last edited by Feb 1, 2024, 3:39 AM

                            @eric When you say you've started taking it seriously, what are you doing? Diet changes? Thyroid? Could be helpful to diagnose.

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                              eric @brad
                              last edited by Feb 1, 2024, 3:59 AM

                              @brad said in Waking up at 3AM:

                              @eric When you say you've started taking it seriously, what are you doing? Diet changes? Thyroid? Could be helpful to diagnose.

                              1. Eliminated all major dietary sources of PUFA except eggs
                              2. Eliminated all grains, most complex carbs
                              3. Added lots of sugar to diet
                              4. Added gelatin to diet
                              5. 300mg aspirin 2x a day
                              6. 2 minutes of 830nm red light on thyroid EoD

                              Diet
                              Breakfast: 2 eggs cooked in butter, one piece of 100% grass fed bacon, 16oz fresh squeezed strained OJ, one cup coffee with milk

                              Lunch: Carrot salad, then 30min later, some kind of soup with lots of gelatin (oxtail, borscht), mexican coke

                              Dinner: 1/2lb 100% grass fed ground beef with liver and heart, gelatin added, Mexican coke or OJ or sugared milk

                              Before bed: Vanilla ice cream, no additives

                              throughout the day drink ~1L of sugared whole 100% grass fed raw milk

                              One dose estroban, plus an additional 2-4mg of mk-4.

                              Night and day difference in my energy levels, I feel energized well into the evening whereas before I'd hit a wall. Brain fog dissipated. Family history of hypothyroidism (every other member of my family is on thyroid). Got like 30 blood tests done this morning and I'm waiting on those to come back.

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                                LinDaiyu @eric
                                last edited by Feb 1, 2024, 4:11 AM

                                @eric I think you need more calcium there laddie.

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                                  brad @eric
                                  last edited by Feb 1, 2024, 4:13 AM

                                  @eric Very nice, impressive work. What are your total calories and macros and when do you take the estroban?

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                                    eric @LinDaiyu
                                    last edited by Feb 1, 2024, 5:13 AM

                                    @LinDaiyu said in Waking up at 3AM:

                                    @eric I think you need more calcium there laddie.

                                    I made eggshell calcium powder for the first time today 👍

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                                      eric @brad
                                      last edited by eric Feb 1, 2024, 5:17 AM Feb 1, 2024, 5:16 AM

                                      @brad said in Waking up at 3AM:

                                      @eric Very nice, impressive work. What are your total calories and macros and when do you take the estroban?

                                      I don't have a clue on total calories and macros other than that I think it's possible I'm under eating. I've lost 5 pounds since I started this, though that may have been water weight. I've had persistent gut issues with lots of bloating, and it's completely dissipated since I started peating. My stomach stays flat all day. I might try tracking calories since it should be pretty easy with how simple this diet is. I'm 5'11" and 158lbs.

                                      I take the estroban in the morning, and the isolated mk-4 before bed.

                                      Also I think I'm getting quite a lot of salt. I heavily salt my eggs, the soup, and the ground beef.

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                                        brad @eric
                                        last edited by Feb 1, 2024, 5:41 AM

                                        @eric Sometimes when the thyroid is "waking up" background cortisol levels are revealed and that causes nervousness and little sleep. Not sure if that's what's going on here but if it is that then it should dissipate in a week or two.

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                                          eric @brad
                                          last edited by Feb 1, 2024, 5:46 AM

                                          @brad great, thanks for the perspective. I'll stay the course

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