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Bacteria creating overgrowth of b12

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    Samyo @Samyo
    last edited by Jan 18, 2025, 7:49 PM

    serum b12 795 ng/l
    serum folate 7.1 ug/l
    serum ferritin 428 ug/L
    serumb albumin 45 g/L
    serum bilirubin level 11umol/L
    Serum alkaline phosphatase 69 u/L
    serum alt level 25 u/l
    serum gamma GT level 21 u/l

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      Samyo @Samyo
      last edited by Jan 23, 2025, 2:14 AM

      @Samyo .

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        LucH @Samyo
        last edited by Jan 23, 2025, 7:06 AM

        @Samyo said in Bacteria creating overgrowth of b12:

        @Samyo .

        uncomplete. Give the fork (low / high level if you hope a comment.

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          Samyo @LucH
          last edited by Samyo Jan 27, 2025, 11:47 PM Jan 27, 2025, 11:47 PM

          @LucH im ganna stop meat and milk I dont think im benefiting from it, only seem to be getting high ferriitin and constipation with hair shedding

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            LucH @Samyo
            last edited by Jan 28, 2025, 6:47 AM

            @Samyo said in Bacteria creating overgrowth of b12:

            im ganna stop meat and milk I dont think im benefiting from it, only seem to be getting high ferriitin and constipation with hair shedding

            I won't stop meat to lower ferritin but rather give blood twice a year.
            Don't forget to balance with collagen if you don't eat cuts (oxtails e.g.). See bone broth for real food if you manage well histamine (allergy).
            You won't recover if you don't make place (bacterial overgrowth) and if the transit is not improved (2x/d feces), not with a laxative like cascara or plums, not as a usual medicine Cascara is only acceptable in crisis. Too aggressive and it doesn't solve anything at the MMC level.
            We are not on the same line.
            You're not receptive enough. You don't have to agree, but you have to say it clearly and explain why; otherwise we have a sterile discussion...

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              Samyo @LucH
              last edited by Jan 28, 2025, 1:43 PM

              @LucH said in Bacteria creating overgrowth of b12:

              have a sterile discuss

              my doctor said they were satisified with my ferritin level... with oat bran i've been pooping twice a day

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                LucH @Samyo
                last edited by Jan 28, 2025, 2:30 PM

                @Samyo said in Bacteria creating overgrowth of b12:

                1. my doctor said they were satisified with my ferritin level...
                  2.with oat bran i've been pooping twice a day
                1. Too generous (too high 428). I target between 150 - 250).
                  I cite:
                  If you decrease the excess free iron, you will decrease oxidative stress. (Chris masterjohn)
                  A serum ferritin between 50 and 200 is consistent with normal bone marrow iron stores.
                2. Good news. 👍
                  one half of the problem (thickness, color, tough stools)
                3. What about bacterial overgrowth? How are you going to manage?
                  Perhaps "wait and see"?
                  If you do so, you'll probably join the club of SIBO/SIFO, soon or later.
                  Keep that in mind and come back to asks for useful info / links to learn how to deal with.
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                  Samyo @LucH
                  last edited by Samyo Jan 28, 2025, 11:45 PM Jan 28, 2025, 11:37 PM

                  @LucH I need to work out why my hands and palms of my feet are orange too, when i compare people hands are more pink, I dont even eat much carotene, what else can it be?

                  Also how do I know if a rash is from high histamine or not?

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                    Kat @Samyo
                    last edited by Jan 30, 2025, 5:29 PM

                    @Samyo have you dont any food sensitivity testing? Sounds to me like you have a histamine response and have a food sensitivity to mushrooms likely due to intestinal permeability. Histamine will interfere with sleep it binds to H1 receptors and H3 in the brain and decreases acetylcholine signaling interfering with REM sleep and it is also a neurotransmitter which promotes wakefulness so will keep you up. It is why anti-histamines make us drowsy they interfere with histamine binding to H1 in the brain.
                    I would say you should run a GI MAP, find out what is going on in your gut, run a food sensitivity test and find out what you are sensitive to (other than mushrooms which is clear) and get an OAT (organic acids test) to identify any other possible stressors contributing to your symptoms (which I am sure there are more this reaction is not the only one). HTMA would be helpful here since minerals play a key role and sounds lik your mineral balancing is skewed, esp with the skin sx and immune sx. Once you know what foods you are reactive to you can remove them for 90 days, you can optimize your gut health and intestinal flora and get rid of any pathogens identified in the testing, and address any imbalances found on the OAT. Then your clear immune flares to certain foods and imbalances will likely clear up.

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                      Samyo @Kat
                      last edited by Samyo Jan 30, 2025, 8:15 PM Jan 30, 2025, 8:15 PM

                      @Kat Histamine is probably what gives me the rash

                      Orange juice, ketchup, coffee... icecream (a1 dairy)

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