Holy Basil: Phyto-TESTOSTERONE, Progesterone and thyro-mimetic ?
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@Mauritio I had a game on the first day I took basil. You can read more about my experience in my other post. Although the game started off badly, on the way there I was super confident, joking with friends, feeling what i can describe as a extremly dht dominant state, and I truly felt like a "ruler" instead of a sheep.
The confidence seemed to fade during warm up, I wasn't unconfident, just silent and passive mentally. Even if I made a mistake, I didn't care too much what i felt could be described as a seratonin dominant state , putting my head down (I'm still trying to understand why this happens). When the game began, I fell into an extremely seratongenic state where everything just happened around me. I lost the ball multiple times and performed poorly(with hindsight i can remember me thinking as if i am in a cage trying to survive), so I asked my coach to substitute me off.
I talked with him and requested to be put back in after a few minutes he complied. Seeing my team struggle on the field made me angry and motivated. I told my coach I was ready, he put me back in, and then I dominated the other team.
At that moment, I genuinely felt like a ruler I can't fully describe it, but it felt incredible. I played amazingly, felt highly confident, had a high drive, commanded my team with helpful feedback, and overcame mistakes quickly. I'm not sure if basil had anything to do with this, but this was my full experience after taking sweet basil(High confidence/DHT dominance, although when faced with physical and mental pressure, suffered from a serotonergic state).
(Hope you can also help me figure out how to replicate the experience I had the second time I was substituted in and help me avoid entering the sheepish state of mind)
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@lobotomize-me Interesting. Hard to say.
I wouldnt take it right before a game tbh. Its too anti-cortisol. The serotonergic state you describe could simply be that : no energy due to lack of cortisol. That can make you pretty fatigued when T3 isnt there to pick you up.Maybe try the night before the game.
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After reading the reports in this thread I bought a box with some dried basil powder, the one you can find in every grocery store among the spices. I'm not sure if it's as potent as fresh basil or concentrated powder, but I notice that I'm more relaxed and less stressed afterwards. I just take about a teaspoon and chew on it for two or three minutes before I swallow it (I find the taste quite pleasant and could imagine that the ingredients are good for the teeth, although that's speculation). Basil definitely peaked my interest.
I also bought the tulsi extract from Sunday Naturals that @Mauritio mentioned in this thread. The results are more mixed. The first day I took an entire capsule around noon and didn't notice much. Felt stressed beforehand and felt stressed afterwards. With smaller doses it gives me a relaxing effect. I wonder why the tea gives me better results. Maybe it's just the dose and the dose of a full capsule is just too high. Last Sunday I made a camomile tea and poured the content of a tulsi capsule into the cup as well. I slept pretty well that night (by my standards). There seems to be something about tea that agrees more with me than a concentrated powder. Maybe I was an Englishman in a former life.
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@Mauritio but wouldnt me being/feeling as if i am a sheep in a cage indicate that i have too much cortisol/stress?
Plus i just realised the active compound in basil is rosmarinic acid which i saw you mentikned in another thread is Immunosuppressive
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@lobotomize-me yeah it would . But maybe it's from something else.
Why is rosmarinic acid the main active component ?
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Just a field report...
I tried Holy Basil today. I didn't notice much effect.
Probably, some anti-inflammatory (maybe TSH lowering one?) and a bit cortisol/adrenaline lowering one, but since I have my cortisol pretty under control this wasn't any significant change.
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@Kvirion thanks for sharing. Maybe sweet basil will work better.
Dare to think.
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@Mauritio said in Holy Basil: Phyto-TESTOSTERONE, Progesterone and thyro-mimetic ?:
sweet basil
Sweet basil seems to be a galactagogue, i.e., it promotes lactation in humans and other animals, i.e., increases prolactin—therefore, I wouldn't touch it with a proverbial stick.
A little learning is a dangerous thing ;
Drink deep, or taste not the Pierian spring :
There shallow draughts intoxicate the brain,
And drinking largely sobers us again.
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@Mauritio any assumptions which other Moa it may use to increase testosterone?
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@Mauritio
A study screening Thai plants for 5α-reductase inhibitory activity found that Ocimum basilicum had a finasteride equivalent activity (FEA) value of 63.12 ± 0.57, indicating significant inhibition compared to other plants like Centella asiatica (32.00 ± 0.91)
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@Kvirion do you have any reference for it increasing prolactin in vivo ?
Some of the studies I posted above used sweet basil and it drastically increased testosterone which is unlikely if it increases prolactin...Dare to think.
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@lobotomize-me i wouldn't care too much about in vitro studies . But if you send the link I'll take a look at it.
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@Mauritio http://pejouhesh.sbmu.ac.ir/article-1-2084-en.html https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9210833/
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@Mauritio https://www.researchgate.net/publication/228750879_Screening_of_steroid_5a-reductase_inhibitory_activity_and_total_phenolic_content_of_Thai_plants Quick tip: If you're on a PC using Chrome, right click and select Search with Google Lens. Then highlight the text, and it will easily help you find the sources
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@Mauritio said in Holy Basil: Phyto-TESTOSTERONE, Progesterone and thyro-mimetic ?:
@Kvirion do you have any reference for it increasing prolactin in vivo ?
Sweeti basil is a galactagogue and galactagogues increase prolactin...
Some of the studies I posted above used sweet basil and it drastically increased testosterone which is unlikely if it increases prolactin...
Maybe an increase in progesterone overcomes prolactin, or maybe the antiinflammatory actions of basil help with the production of testosterone.
This is too complicated and unreliable mode of action for me. Therefore not worth trying - at least for me..
A little learning is a dangerous thing ;
Drink deep, or taste not the Pierian spring :
There shallow draughts intoxicate the brain,
And drinking largely sobers us again.
~Alexander Pope, An Essay on Criticism -
@lobotomize-me Like I said in-vitro . But still worrying. So definitely something to keep in mind.
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@Kvirion you do you . For me it certainly didn't feel like it raised prolactin , quite the opposite.
Dare to think.
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@Mauritio yep
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@Mauritio said in Holy Basil: Phyto-TESTOSTERONE, Progesterone and thyro-mimetic ?:
@Kvirion you do you . For me it certainly didn't feel like it raised prolactin , quite the opposite.
Yep, right. Context matters
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@lobotomize-me saw you also posted some prolactin studies ... I'm always a bit cautious when they're in a very (gender) specific context, like pregnancy or PCOS they often have weird results. And some amounts of estrogen and prolactin are needed for pregnancies , that's probably why you can induce abortions with bromocriptine.
