Any opinions on postprandial blood glucose spikes beyond 140. Should people worry?
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High carb diets will cause spikes for most people at least sometimes. I see people avoiding foods that cause spikes (often their favorite foods).
Do you worry?
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@herenow said in Any opinions on blood glucose spikes. Be afraid or nonsense?:
Do you worry?
Hi,
Context is all.
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@LucH You're right. I'm thinking in terms of large spikes to over 140-150. I'll need to clarify.
It's a very popular theme these days that people should worry about excursions beyond 140 or so.
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@herenow said in Any opinions on large blood glucose spikes beyond 140. Be afraid or nonsense?:
You're right. I'm thinking in terms of large spikes to over 140-150. I'll need to clarify.
Give examples of 2 usual breakfast and midday meals (4x), with proportions.
Hb1Ac measures ? -
@LucH I'd have to gorge on pasta or something to get it that high. It's more of a general question. I'm in really good shape right now.
I assume it can cause damage but everything does.
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@herenow talking generally for glucose tolerance i think 150 could still be a healthy response for high carb low protein meal but depends when youre measuring it, if youre measuring it at 30 mins - 45 mins when it usually peaks. 180+ = not well adapted, i think if youre > or at 150 still at an hour after eating theres a problem with insulin or high fats in blood. in diabetes they target under 160 https://chrismasterjohnphd.substack.com/p/self-experiments-in-the-biochemically
when he adapted he didnt get >150 anymore
But if thats happening with good amount of protein then its a different story, protein can lower blood sugar response to carbs a lot if in right ratio. so could show dysfunction. -
@herenow said in Any opinions on postprandial blood glucose spikes beyond 140. Should people worry?:
Do you worry?
The why anyone should allegedly worry is of interest. Allegedly it interferes with osmoregulation, which is a relative phenomenon.
@herenow said in Any opinions on postprandial blood glucose spikes beyond 140. Should people worry?:
I'd have to gorge on pasta
"Salty as the sea" and it probably won't happen.
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@herenow said in Any opinions on postprandial blood glucose spikes beyond 140. Should people worry?:
I assume it can cause damage but everything does.
If you do so for some time, you'll lose control of your liver hormones. Insensibility of muscles. DT2 and later DT3 (brain).
The way your body is going to response after ingestion of 50 g glucose, aka the AUC at 140 or 170, after 45’ till 90 / 120’, will depend on several things.- The way you deal with the breakfast spike. Impact on the whole day.
- The order of food ingestion: fiber first, meat and fat afterwards, carbs at the end of the meal.
- The repartition between glucose and fructose (50/50 optimal).
- The kind of carbs (see picture)
Mid & long term impact: - The reaction of the liver will be fragile if you don’t get enough potassium and biotin. You’ll get more lactic acid if you eat refined carbs without enough B1. Interaction with other B too.
- If your liver can’t manage the amount of fat taken or released (stress), you’ll be unable to manage carbs well. And when drinking wine or beer, the first priority is to get rid of ethanol.
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@cs3000 said in Any opinions on postprandial blood glucose spikes beyond 140. Should people worry?:
i think 150 could still be a healthy response for high carb low protein meal but depends when youre measuring it
Are you expecting tissue damage above 150?
A question I had is if someone spikes their sugar to a really high number like 300 for just a half hour and then it drops back to the normal fasting of 80, is there damage because the Hba1c should still be healthy.
Is there damage independent of the glycation because of the extreme of the peak? I'm not sure.
@LucH If it leads to hypoglycemia (as per your graph) then the question I would have is does that cause damage. But also looking at hypoglycemia complicates the question for me. I've heard the spike can drive appetite and that can drive overeating and son on but again that's just too complicated to work through.
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@herenow said in Any opinions on postprandial blood glucose spikes beyond 140. Should people worry?:
I'd have to gorge on pasta
"Salty as the sea" and it probably won't happen.
That will be a good experiment. Love salt
