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    • JenniferJ
      Jennifer
      last edited by Jennifer

      @lykos, what LucH said. Along with fatigue and poor copper metabolism, having low iron despite adequate intake is another sign of an under-active thyroid. Despite my intake of iron-rich foods like red meat and supplementing with food-based iron, my ferritin was down to 6 and didn’t budge until I started taking thyroid (Armour). I was also diagnosed with mold toxicity and gut dysbiosis (SIBO), which cleared up when I targeted my thyroid. To rule out your symptoms being thyroid related, if you haven’t done so already, you may find it useful to track your temps (including extremities) first thing in the morning, and before and 20–30 minutes after you eat, and also your pulse rate, for two weeks. And in case you haven’t read it, here is Ray Peat’s article on TSH, temperature, pulse rate, and other indicators in hypothyroidism:

      https://raypeat.com/articles/articles/hypothyroidism.shtml

      I have stood on a mountain of no’s for one yes. ~ B. Smith

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        user2 @lykos
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        @lykos said in Copper deficiency,histamine intolerance, fatigue:

        Greetings friends, i have been suffering from severe copper deficiency for long time which resulted in histamine intolerance and general system collapse. It's hard to navigate with my affliction because doctors here are incompetent idiots. I supplemented 4mg of copper for 6 months which improved my health but despite that i still have low cerruloplasmin and copper serum among other b vitamins like b1 which i cannot supplement in any form as it gives me severe histamine issues. Currently i am taking zinc 10mg with 2mg of copper because i think i tank my zinc levels after half year of taking copper, b6 10mg as p5p for dao support, taurine, magnesium glycinate 400mg a day.My ferritin is really low 20 despite eating meat, i am desperate i don't know what to do anymore, i have no energy or motivation to get out of bed for almost a year now and despite having some improvement with copper most of the symptoms persist.
        @LucH

        "Just take copper bro" brutal

        What do you eat, where do you live?

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        • lykosL
          lykos @user2
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          @user2 what's wrong with copper ?
          copper cured me from dire health.

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            user2 @lykos
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            @lykos said in Copper deficiency,histamine intolerance, fatigue:

            @user2 what's wrong with copper ?
            copper cured me from dire health.

            Kidding, you said you have no energy to go out of bed even tho you take copper. What do you eat, where do you live? Do you have foods/liquid reflux? Do you feel warm?

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            • lykosL
              lykos @user2
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              @user2 I live in russia, my diet for the last 3 years was mostly 2L of raw milk a day and half a kilo of rib eye, fruits and gelatin and some liver here and there, it lead to severe copper deficiency which took almost a year to completely cure.

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                user2 @lykos
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                @lykos said in Copper deficiency,histamine intolerance, fatigue:

                @user2 I live in russia, my diet for the last 3 years was mostly 2L of raw milk a day and half a kilo of rib eye, fruits and gelatin and some liver here and there, it lead to severe copper deficiency which took almost a year to completely cure.

                Raw milk/dairy maxing cann destroy a person, it did for me, can make you very low energy, no hype to movement, movement and sound feel neutral or bad. Some foods promote lying down and processing the food, milk and dairy can be among these foods. Do you feel any effects from the meat, warmth, fertility, desire, relaxation? What fruits do you eat? Do you have foods/liquids reflux?

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                • lykosL
                  lykos @user2
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                  @user2 Peat couldn't be more wrong about dairy, the main culprit for destroying my health was dairy despite not having any digestive issues and consuming the highest quality grassfed. I eat mostly grapes and citrus fruits, yeah beef gives me boners all day. Peat in his last days wasn't drinking milk and he ate oats.

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                    user2 @lykos
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                    @lykos said in Copper deficiency,histamine intolerance, fatigue:

                    @user2 Peat couldn't be more wrong about dairy, the main culprit for destroying my health was dairy despite not having any digestive issues and consuming the highest quality grassfed. I eat mostly grapes and citrus fruits, yeah beef gives me boners all day. Peat in his last days wasn't drinking milk and he ate oats.

                    I dont know if its inhérent to dairy or if the dairy production is poisoned, or if milk that isnt drink shortly after it come out from udder is bad, or if dairymaxing can drive deficiency quickly, or if dairy+ getting fryed by emf/5g bad, or if cows get covid vaxed but yes can be terrible.

                    What color are the grapes? What citrus fruits? Do you wake up multiples times a night, do you have good dream clarity and recall? Do you get sex dreams?

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                    • lykosL
                      lykos @user2
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                      @user2 I used to wakeup 10 times every night when i was deficient for almost 1 year, now i sleep well and my health is recovering. Another factor for causing the deficiency was my coffee addiction thanks to peat, before finding his work i never drunk coffee.

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                        user2 @lykos
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                        @lykos said in Copper deficiency,histamine intolerance, fatigue:

                        @user2 I used to wakeup 10 times every night when i was deficient for almost 1 year, now i sleep well and my health is recovering. Another factor for causing the deficiency was my coffee addiction thanks to peat, before finding his work i never drunk coffee.

                        What color are the grapes? What citrus fruits?do you have good dream clarity and recall? Do you get sex dreams?

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                        • lykosL
                          lykos @user2
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                          @user2 why the specific questions? Anw you can dm

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                            user2 @lykos
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                            @lykos said in Copper deficiency,histamine intolerance, fatigue:

                            @user2 why the specific questions? Anw you can dm

                            Because it matter alot and you made a post about having symptoms, and commented other stuffs on differents posts, that could be related, comments it can help others if you answer there, what you absolutly dont want to answer there you can answer in dms if you want

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                            • lykosL
                              lykos @user2
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                              @user2 oranges, black grapes, i used to have nocturnal emisions when i was copper deficient not anymore. I rarely recall dreams.

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                                user2 @lykos
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                                @lykos said in Copper deficiency,histamine intolerance, fatigue:

                                @user2 oranges, black grapes, i used to have nocturnal emisions when i was copper deficient not anymore. I rarely recall dreams.

                                Unripe oranges is bad, i rarely rarely see ripe oranges these days, i suggest dont eat any oranges unless you really know what a perfectly ripe orange is, in my experiences oranges fruits/vegetables can cause or contribute to many of the symptoms that dairy can cause even when decently ripe, and much worst when not ripe.

                                Purple/pink fruits/vegetables isnt good, can be really bad long term, there is something about these color specifically that can mess with energy flow, stress resilience, fertility, i suggest dont eat any for the most parts, your comments on semen retention/emission seems to potentially match the non optimal fertility aspect, Is your sleep deep and refreshing, mid or bad?

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                                • sunsunsunS
                                  sunsunsun @lykos
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                                  silicon regulates copper balance

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                                  • LucHL
                                    LucH @user2
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                                    @user2 said in Copper deficiency,histamine intolerance, fatigue:

                                    I dont know if its inhérent to dairy or if the dairy production is poisoned, or if milk that isnt drink shortly after it come out from udder is bad, or if dairymaxing can drive deficiency quickly, or if dairy+ getting fryed by emf/5g bad, or if cows get covid vaxed but yes can be terrible.

                                    There are 2 kinds of cows, genetically speaking, giving the kind A or B-milk.
                                    If you're heavy-intolerant to WGA (gluten), like 10 % people (+ 10 % undiagnosed), there is cross-reaction with the protein from milk. We're not talking about lactase deficiency here.

                                    Reference:
                                    Cross-Reaction between Gliadin and Different Food and Tissue Antigens
                                    http://file.scirp.org/Html/5-2700516_26626.htm
                                    We observed significant immune reactivity when these antibodies were applied to cow’s milk, milk chocolate, milk butyrophilin, whey protein, casein, yeast, oats, corn, millet, instant coffee and rice.

                                    Vocabulary: How can your body still think you're eating gluten, even after you've completely stopped?
                                    You're eating foods that don't contain gluten, but your body reacts as if they do. This process is called cross-reactivity. A cross-reaction occurs when the same antibody is able to combine with different but sufficiently similar antigens.

                                    A more detailed explanation (In French, but with a link in English).
                                    https://mirzoune-ciboulette.forumactif.org/t235-allergie-reaction-croisee-entre-le-gluten-et-les-laitages?highlight=réaction+croisée
                                    • Gluten associated with cross reactive foods. Dr David Perlmutter.
                                    50% of people who are gluten intolerant are also more or less sensitive to dairy products. Surprisingly, researchers have also found that coffee tends to cross-react with gluten and can mimic the symptoms of gluten intolerance. Exception with coffee (more often with prepared coffee, ready to use).

                                    Interesting link:
                                    “Cross-Reaction between Gliadin and Different Food and Tissue Antigens” January 2013
                                    http://paleomovement.com/19-gluten-cross-reactive-foods/ (with sources)

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                                      user2 @LucH
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                                      @LucH was from jersey cow allegedly

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                                      • sunsunsunS
                                        sunsunsun @user2
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                                        @user2 i eat purple onion
                                        and sometimes purple sweet potato
                                        and purple cabbage

                                        purple cabbage eaten raw gives excellent digestif..

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                                          user2 @sunsunsun
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                                          @sunsunsun said in Copper deficiency,histamine intolerance, fatigue:

                                          @user2 i eat purple onion
                                          and sometimes purple sweet potato
                                          and purple cabbage

                                          purple cabbage eaten raw gives excellent digestif..

                                          Oignons, garlics, true adam underground vegetables

                                          Yes these vegetables can feel like it clean/pure max you, i know many people that crave these specifically including me

                                          " no tree can grow to heaven, unless its roots reach down to hell" Carl D Jung

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                                          • lykosL
                                            lykos @sunsunsun
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                                            @LucH I believe its the calcium and coffee that blocks the absorption of other minerals, longterm creates issues with mineral imbalance which affects your metabolism and hormones. if anything peats knowledge of minerals is very limited and his diet a meme diet which himself have totally flipped on its head in his last days. From hight protein liver milk fruits coffee ——> grains, vegetables low protein.

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