Dismantling Charlie's words and deeds on the "raypeat "forum and here
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@Harlock Talk about totally losing his mind. Watch any cult documentary and this is exactly how they all talk and sound.
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@FitnessMikey said in Dismantling Charlie's words and deeds on the "raypeat "forum and here:
@sphenoid mate, with some things truth is somewhere in between.
Fructose, in my current state, fattens my liver very quickly.
It must be state-dependent, I can't see myself struggling with fruits once healthy.
for your consideration:
Protective effect of supplementation with biotin against high-fructose-induced metabolic syndrome in rats"Several reports have demonstrated that pharmacological concentrations of biotin reduce hyperglycemia, hypertriglyceridemia, and hypertension. We hypothesized that biotin could exert a protective effect on some illness-associated metabolic syndrome. To test this hypothesis, male Wistar rats were fed a diet containing 30% fructose in drinking water and classified into four groups: C, the control group; B, the group receiving biotin (intraperitoneal injection, 2 mg/kg); F, the group receiving fructose (30% w/v); and FB, the group receiving fructose-biotin. The administration of biotin began after the rats had been on a high-fructose diet for 12 weeks and continued for 4 weeks. Our results showed that food and fluid intake were diminished in the F and FB groups. However, the final body weights were similar between the groups. A significant increase in hepatic triglyceride and cholesterol content, plasma cholesterol, triglycerides, transaminases, low-density lipoprotein cholesterol (LDL-c), systolic blood pressure, and vasocontraction, as well as a decrease in high-density lipoprotein cholesterol (HDL-c) were observed in the F group. Glucose tolerance and insulin tolerance were also impaired in the F group. The administration of biotin ameliorated all these changes. Hepatic oxidative stress as well as macrovesicular fatty changes in hepatocytes caused by a high-fructose diet were also improved by biotin. Our findings demonstrate that biotin has a protective role against metabolic syndrome by improving insulin resistance associated with normal hepatic and serum levels of triglyceride and cholesterol, blood pressure, and the prevention of steatosis and hepatic oxidative damage. Therefore, biotin could be used as a therapeutic strategy in the pharmacological treatment of metabolic syndrome."
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@Harlock It's nice he's speaking out but Hans is another grifter
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Another two members banned by the cult leader for offending his sensibilities. They posted this in response to his announcement. Here were the deeply offensive posts
Member since 2016 and he bans him for the most tame joke ever. What an absolute wanker!
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Look at this BS. The level of delusions of grandeur is unreal!
"Mockers are being dealt with accordingly, you will need high integrity and the upmost respect to participate here. Moving forward only those with Great Honor and dignity will walk these halls."
This is a health forum, not the halls of the Vatican.
@Charlie Charlie do you realise how utterly unhinged you sound?! Clearly you don't but I do I have met people in cults before this is no different.
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Charlie has spoken. We mortals can only follow.
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It should be "UTMOST" respect, not "UPMOST." Good grief.
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@questforhealth Careful, I'm guessing you will also be banned soon for criticising him on this forum. I tagged him in the previous post in the vain hope that he will realise that he is basically killing the forum and almost everyone is eventually going to leave. He will literally be ruling over the rubble and ashes of what once was.
Ozymandias comes to mind,
"I met a traveller from an antique land,
Who said—“Two vast and trunkless legs of stone
Stand in the desert. . . . Near them, on the sand,
Half sunk a shattered visage lies, whose frown,
And wrinkled lip, and sneer of cold command,
Tell that its sculptor well those passions read
Which yet survive, stamped on these lifeless things,
The hand that mocked them, and the heart that fed;
And on the pedestal, these words appear:
My name is Ozymandias, King of Kings;
Look on my Works, ye Mighty, and despair!
Nothing beside remains. Round the decay
Of that colossal Wreck, boundless and bare
The lone and level sands stretch far away.” -
Banned last night. No stress.
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@questforhealth Feel like its going to happen to everyone but the fanatics eventually.
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Charlie the madman. The Messiah.
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@mostlylurking thanks.
I was benefiting from b complex, small doses, but they irritate the bladder.
So now im introducing them separately to see which i can take, b1 and b3 seem to be fine, and next is biotin, i barely scratch RDA with 3 eggs a day...
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Hi, according to Charlie, it's no longer allowed on the "Ray Peat" forum to share "pro vitamin A studies."
To then say it's an essential nutrient
This is not the official stance of the forum, it is Charlie's personal belief, 99.99% of the people on the forum do not share this idea, neither does Ray Peat,
Charlie you can and should remove the name "Ray Peat" from the name of the site, because it is not allowed to share studies that correspond to Ray's ideas, in this case it is only allowed to share studies if they correspond and are not in contradiction with your personal beliefs
Thrive for the highest degree of energy
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@Truth said in Dismantling Charlie's words and deeds on the "raypeat "forum and here:
Hi, according to Charlie, it's no longer allowed on the "Ray Peat" forum to share "pro vitamin A studies."
To then say it's an essential nutrient
This is not the official stance of the forum, it is Charlie's personal belief, 99.99% of the people on the forum do not share this idea, neither does Ray Peat,
Charlie you can and should remove the name "Ray Peat" from the name of the site, because it is not allowed to share studies that correspond to Ray's ideas, in this case it is only allowed to share studies if they correspond and are not in contradiction with your personal beliefs
Charlie who potentially tries to act and make people believe that he shares Raymond Peat's ideas with some "Ray peat right again" label to potentially try to damage control his previous post on pro vitamin A studies not being allowed
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@FitnessMikey said in Dismantling Charlie's words and deeds on the "raypeat "forum and here:
@mostlylurking thanks.
I was benefiting from b complex, small doses, but they irritate the bladder.
So now im introducing them separately to see which i can take, b1 and b3 seem to be fine, and next is biotin, i barely scratch RDA with 3 eggs a day...
I've found, for myself, that B5 is a no go; I'm sort of leery of B6 too, except in very small doses. So I sort of gave up on b-complexes too and I take the different bulk powders instead. Ray Peat said that riboflavin can cause reaction in some people but I'm doing well on 100mg, 4Xday with no problem. He also said that thiamine is well tolerated in most people, also niacinamide.
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@mostlylurking
Did you find B5 increased cortisol?
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@mostlylurking It's good to try b vitamins separately and see specific reactions over a few days or so, especially if you have sides with B complex.
Deficiencies are one, but stress-depleting is another thing.
Some basic Google sources talk about stress-depleting b5/6 and magnesium, would be good to know all about stress and nutrient depletion.
I will give b5 a shoot, maybe it will raise some adrenal hormones if im deficient in it, god knows.
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@TheRealPeater said in Dismantling Charlie's words and deeds on the "raypeat "forum and here:
@mostlylurking
Did you find B5 increased cortisol?
My own introduction to B5 was via a doctor that fired me after a few months because I told her I didn't trust her. She prescribed B5 to me and sold me the supplement in 500mg capsules and like a moron I took one before researching it. For the next two nights I woke up in tremendous dis-ease at around 2:00am. So yes, it may well have been high cortisol.
I spent the multiple hours of feeling like crap in the dead of night on line researching B5. Apparently, it is used by some weight loss doctors to turn people into "fat burners" because it causes something else to release a flood of free fatty acids into the system (so you can burn them and lose weight). That's really not a good thing to do if you have toxins (like pufa, etc.) stored in your fat cells.
So now I'm apprehensive about B5 if it's included in a B-complex.
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@Truth I personally know one of Ray Peat’s students. He told me that one student said during class that coffee is not healthy and that Peat drinks too much. Peat then asked his students to find all the papers they could that was pro and anti-coffee and they would review them together. There were two stacks of papers that they got to review by the end of the year, and still some students didn’t conclude coffee was healthy.
This is the open-minded spirit that Peat had, listening, examining, investigating, tolerating dissent, and having an open discussion. Such makes for good science.
