Question for Charlie at Ray Peat Forum on his insults against Milk and Fructose (Honey)
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@CO3 @dan-saintdominic Do either of you have views on the apocrypha like the Gospel of St. Thomas or other texts rejected at the Council of Nicaea?
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@brad brilliant thanks for letting me know
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@brad Georgi added his new posts to his site.
http://haidut.me/I wish we could comment. Maybe he would like a devoted thread here? A Georgi cul de sac? I don't know.
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@brad The cannon of scripture wasn't created at the Council of Nicea, it happened over many years, and it wasnt finalized for sure in the Catholic Church until around the 1500s. I don't know the arguments against that text I just know that no church, even the ones that broke off from Catholics in the 400s or 1000s, accept it as an apostolic tradition. Also I think when you see that in the Gospels Jesus promised to build a visible church and perserve it to the end, then I see it as impossible that his church would be lead into error.
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@brad With many of them, later textual analysis showed them to indeed be likely forgeries.
I think you can see that the canon is more or less 'correct' by the fact that the corrupt Catholic Church cannot really use it to their benefit. What they do is forge documents like the 'Apostle's Creed' to give their corrupt corporation a retroactive apostolic thumbs up!! Look up the 'Apostle's Creed' btw it's 100% confirmed to not have been written by the Apostles yet for many centuries the 'Church' told people it was.
So the fact that the Church generally has maybe one or two lines to justify their existence using the new testament, means it's likely not too corrupted. Realistically speaking, the only thing to be fully sure of is the Greek Septuagint translation of the Old Testament because Christ and the Apostles quote it in the New Testament.
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Charlie probably suffers from a low intelligence to begin with, which prevents him from thinking about anything other than in a dogmatic way.
He gained a lot of weight and was feeling terrible while trying to implement Peat's ideas (pretty sure he was missing a lot of nuances while doing so), yet never listened to his body, suffered no cognitive dissonance, and continued hurting his body fanatically for years.
He then found a new dogma that had him remove foods he had allergy to, which made him feel better. That's when he started to promote this diet like a biggot and started acting like a cult leader.
The poor soul never learned how to think critically or read scientific research, which requires a modicum of cognitive energy which he doesn't have (he even needs to use ChatGPT to write his messages).
What's dangerous is that he is now acting like a cult leader, and probably doing a disservice to 100's of people who don't have the discernment and critical thinking ability and still give him a hear because he is in a position of authority.
No matter how many times Ray warned us about Authoritarianism, diet alone cannot cure society and individuals from this affliction. Only individuation can, which requires a lot of thinking and trial and error.
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@CO3 NO church that has apostolic origin accepts those books. There is minor discrepancies in our different cannons but the Gospel of Thomas is definetly not one of them. You can even see this in smaller churches such as the Assyrian church of the East who have no "clout" and are seperated from the Catholic church for 1600 years yet still have relatively the same cannon. Even the protestant churches that broke off and absolutely hated the Catholic Church have not accepted those books as part of the cannon. The same can be said for the Apostles Creed that even the Lutherans and Anglicans (who persecuted Catholics for like 400 years in Ireland) accept.
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@dan-saintdominic Yeah the question of apostolic origin of the Apostles' Creed is an open case of forgery by the Western Tradition - something that of course Western protestant churches adopted too since it's useful.
Is the Apostles' creed written by the Apostles? Answer that please.
Your own Church cannot agree on it, since its more intelligent members know that textual analysis proves the positive response wrong.
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@CO3 As far as I'm aware its not a matter of faith who was the one who composed it. I also dont make my decision based off the whims of scholars since God gave them no authority over me. What matters is that it contains the truth and the Church has approved it. You might be looking at this from a protestant point of view where there's no authority outside the texts themselves so if you cast doubt on who wrote the text then its a big deal. Rather, the authority includes the hierarchical structure established by Jesus Christ that will endure to the end of time.
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@dan-saintdominic What? I'm a protestant because I think the Church's scams are immoral? They've been saying it's written by the Apostles for a really long time. Either way it's transparently just a large corporation that has been using coercion, violence and tricks to achieve its material wealth, Any normal person agrees.
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@CO3 You can have your opinion. Just know that it is 100% garunteed, whether you are right or wrong in your accusations against your neighbor, that God will "take you to court", analogously, and make you prove your claims against your neighbors. This will happen for every accusation you make against people. And, even more tragically, the same measure you use against others will be used against you when you are judged for your actions.
I also encourage you to analyze which vices in your life are at odds with what the Catholic Church tells you are immoral. See if you can cut those vices out, especially ones involving your interactions with other human beings and human authorities, and I'd be suprised if your comprehension of the Catholic Church doesn't dramatically change.
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@CO3 Its also strange how you say most "normal people" agree while following a dietary lifestyle so diametrically opposed to what "normal people" agree on nowadays. You even quote "the scholars" when it comes to historical criticism methods yet "the scholars" in nutrition would tear this diet to shreads. If thats your metric for judging the truth then you just refuted all of Ray's work.
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@dan-saintdominic said in Question for Charlie at Ray Peat Forum on his insults against Milk and Fructose (Honey):
I also encourage you to analyze which vices in your life are at odds with what the Catholic Church tells you are immoral.
How am I supposed to do that if it changes constantly?
In any case, I am not about to be lectured by a huge corporation whose key members, the ones deciding what these morals are, engage in gay sex parties; a corporation that has always sided with the oppressor under any circumstance it could. It is totally uninteresting to me what the Catholic Church thinks.
Mormons think I shouldn't have coffee, do I suddenly have to listen to them because of their forged claims of apostolicity? That would be insane.
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@CO3 Did you even read the letter I showed you from years before WW2 started denouncing key talking points of Nazism? This led to the persecution of Catholics in germany. How about the past 100 years that the Church has fought for the unborn children of whom a billion whom have been concieved have been terminated? How about the Amazonian Indians who Pope Pius X went out of his way to give a voice and to deplore the behavior of the European nations who were exploiting them in the early 1900s, follow up on what Benedict XIV deplored in the 1700s exploitation of the Natives? This is all just in the past 100 years and is verifiable extremely easily. You said "literally every time" which is a blatant lie. This disproves you. Its that simple. Do you care at all that God said bearing false witness is worthy of death? Like how much does that affect your thought process? If it doesnt affect your thought process at all then I'm done responding to your claims since it's so disgusting and vile to read you speak such blatant lies against thousands of human beings.
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@CO3 Can you really not tell the difference between "don't drink coffee" from the Mormons and commands from the Church like "make an examination of your conscience every night before you sleep and ask for forgiveness" or "Interpret your neighbors actions in the best light that you can for him" or "the worst sin that we can commit in word against our neighbor is to mock and ridicule him".
