Copper Toxicity
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This is another hot topic on the anti-toxin lifestyle...anyone have any experiences or thoughts?
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@TheRealPeater As long as you aren't overdoing beef liver and oysters I don't see it as problematic.
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@TheRealPeater Yeah this guy 'Ray Peat' wrote about it and it's also a very mainstream thing. High copper causes issue, it's hard to really overdo, especially since a healthy body manages these things, but it can definitely happen.
Copper is the main thing a lot of fungi feed on, and when i wore my copper chain for a few months i got a fungus on my fingernail for the first time ever.
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@Not_James_Bond Thanks. I have stopped liver for now as I do think I was overdoing it, or at least, not using the vitamin A I was taking in. (Liver also being high in copper, although it's been a long time since I had lamb liver. Mainly chicken livers recently)
That's not to say I wouldn't eat it again if I got a craving, or symptoms of some type.
I was struggling to sleep last night and I had some blackstrap molasses and drifted off to a pleasant sleep. I have been supplementing zinc sporadically and 1 drop of molybdenum more regularly.
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@CO3 said in Copper Toxicity:
@TheRealPeater Yeah this guy 'Ray Peat' wrote about it and it's also a very mainstream thing. High copper causes issue, it's hard to really overdo, especially since a healthy body manages these things, but it can definitely happen.
Copper is the main thing a lot of fungi feed on, and when i wore my copper chain for a few months i got a fungus on my fingernail for the first time ever.
I thought they used copper spray of some sort as an anti-fungal agent on some crops...weird.
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@TheRealPeater Yeah, I have also used un-debittered brewer's Yeast for zinc, B vits and Zinc plus selenium, but it can also contain copper too.
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@Not_James_Bond
I have been slacking on that recently...I used to take it daily when I was trying iodine/iodide. Thanks.
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@TheRealPeater Your welcome
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@CO3 said in Copper Toxicity:
especially since a healthy body manages these things,
While true, it doesn't take more than some burnout/adrenal fatigue or zinc deficiency for copper to begin accumulating. Many people are in such situation which is why copper toxicity is so prevalent.
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Its a thing, but its a pretty confusing topic.
as mentioned above, these minerals and metals in the context of whole natural foods shouldn't be an issue. But most people consume plenty of un-natural foods. Even something simple like dark chocolate which involves concentrating the seeds of a rather rare jungle plant from south america can contribute a significantly 'unnatural' dose of copper. And unlike something like and oyster, it won't have the zinc to balance it.
The other side is one's ability to properly remove an excess, this relies on a healthy functioning liver and bile system. Something sadly a lot of people don't have anymore.
I had my bloods tested and did the NCC calculation which is an interesting investigation. Its the amount of unbound copper which is relevant, so the ratio of copper to ceruloplasmin.
First approach will just be reducing copper foods and taking Zinc and Molybdenum (these compete for absorption)
it can be visible in the eyes as well if your truly copper toxic.
https://danpursermd.substack.com/p/using-the-ncc-formula-non-ceruloplasmin
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Never an issue with me.
Seek your minerals from food. Whole food.
I was low on copper, but not too low. Still, my ceruloplasmin was on the low range of normal. Since it is widely known that it's hard to get the right amount of copper supplementation, Ray recommends getting it through food such as shrimp. But I didn't eat shrimps because I didn't like that they were farm-raised. So I went with a local crustacean that is made into a paste used for flavoring (bagoong is what it's known as in the Phils. and widely used. I ate that regularly with my cooked greens for a year (making sure I don't overdo it) and a year later, my ceruloplasmin serum levels improved to the high of normal.
He also recommends a weekly serving of oyster for zinc (and vitamin A). And a weekly serving of liver , for vitamin A.
I did just that, and I am much better for it.
Eating whole foods just has a way of getting our intake of these minerals into body just right.
But I only get away with doing this because I live in a place where I can easily obtain such foods fresh without breaking the bank. When I was in the US and living in a city, it was hard to meet my nutritional needs through whole foods, unless I splurge by going to Whole Foods. I had to rely on supplementation.
