Experiments with transdermal hormones
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@brightside said in Experiments with transdermal hormones:
@Mulloch94 said in Experiments with transdermal hormones:
@brightside Interesting. So MCT oil would be a viable co-solvent along with ethanol? I only ask because I've never used it. Tocopherol has been an excellent lipid-based compound and I haven't had the need to venture out much further than that. It also mixes with more volatile solvents like ethanol without an issue too. I've noticed a mixture of ethanol & tocopherol to be particularly useful in getting DHT it solvent quite easily, which I've always noticed can be tricky as it's slightly more temperamental than normal T base.
I personally don't see a reason to use it.
In order to boost penetration of fat soluble actives, you need to disrupt the lipid matrix. (unless relying on other mechanisms like denaturation of keratin proteins like DMSO) Fats like MCT and olive oil do do this, but only because they are a lipid that's not as structured as your lipid matrix. Pretty much any fat is less structured than your lipid matrix.
But, if you look at the stratum corneum lipid matrix, you can see that triglycerides are kind of massive in relation to everything else.
Why would you use more stable molecules, like MCT or other triglycerides instead of opting for smaller, more volatile and more disruptive lipids? (surfactants too) Simply switching from triglycerides to fatty acids drives up absorption dramatically, especially if the fatty acid is short or unsaturated.
Actually, I have yet to see a single study that says MCT oil is effective at increasing transdermal penetration of hormones.
Not only that, but MCT does not hold any hormone. MCT also sucks at mixing with ethanol. I did an experiment a year ago with a three dishes containing ethanol, ethanol+MCT, and ethanol+stearyl alcohol. The ethanol+MCT one crashed a few hours in (I was testing evaporation speed, so they were uncovered). I started out with roughly 80% Ethanol, 20% MCT, so that means the point at which it crashed was probably like 30% MCT, and 70% Ethanol? Something like that, but I never experimented to confirm.
To summarize, MCT isn't that miscible with ethanol, it's not a penetration enhancer, and it doesn't even hold any hormone. So then, why use it?
Moisturization is the only use I see.
Sorry for my little rant lol
It's interesting about the vitamin E. I wrongfully discounted it in the beginning, but clearly you and others are having good experiences with it. I'm kind of put off of the idea of using tocopherols since they are so thick. What kind of tocopherols are you using?
I'm asking because I'm concerned about the policosanols that are in the TocoVit type stuff. Since they're very long acids, they would probably add a structuring effect to the lipid matrix - something I don't want. Also, I'm curious if Vitamin E's effect comes from not necessarily by disruption, but by enhancing solubility of the hormone, like you mention.
Hmm, what do you think about this?
I would start questioning the quality of your ingredients.
I have pure 96% ethanol and pure MCT, they mix perfectly and stay mixed. -
@Santosh said in Experiments with transdermal hormones:
Oh I see, this whole thing is about your ego.
You can't accept that I started making threads about my discoveries back in 2019, and you arrived LONG after.Imagine my ego being tied to the topic of transdermal hormones LOL
I care about accurate information, which you bring none.
Notice how in my RPF thread, anytime I bring up any argument you keep deflecting and changing the topic or going for an attack. You never actually say anything.
Case in point being your reply to me just now.
Why switch your opinion?
Where's the logic and reasoning?
Where's the proof for such a bold claim?
Where's literally anything of substance?Man, I don't really care. You can stroke your ego all you want, just don't do it in my thread. This thread is for accurate information and brainstorming.
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@brightside said in Experiments with transdermal hormones:
@Santosh said in Experiments with transdermal hormones:
Oh I see, this whole thing is about your ego.
You can't accept that I started making threads about my discoveries back in 2019, and you arrived LONG after.Imagine my ego being tied to the topic of transdermal hormones LOL
I care about accurate information, which you bring none.
Notice how in my RPF thread, anytime I bring up any argument you keep deflecting and changing the topic or going for an attack. You never actually say anything.
Case in point being your reply to me just now.
Why switch your opinion?
Where's the logic and reasoning?
Where's the proof for such a bold claim?
Where's literally anything of substance?Man, I don't really care. You can stroke your ego all you want, just don't do it in my thread. This thread is for accurate information and brainstorming.
"Your" thread doesn't exist if I don't bring up the topic of transdermal hormones in September 2019 both on the RPF and on MesoRx with my homemade formulas, both the DMSO one and the Ethanol/MCT one.
You piggy backed on my threads making small adjustments to the formula that bring nothing new to the absorption rate.
Switch my opinion to what ? I always had the same.
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tried 5 mg DHT in dsmo again
i was throwing 50 lb packages 6 feet in my wagie job today ahahahahaha
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@Santosh said in Experiments with transdermal hormones:
@brightside said in Experiments with transdermal hormones:
@Santosh said in Experiments with transdermal hormones:
Oh I see, this whole thing is about your ego.
You can't accept that I started making threads about my discoveries back in 2019, and you arrived LONG after.Imagine my ego being tied to the topic of transdermal hormones LOL
I care about accurate information, which you bring none.
Notice how in my RPF thread, anytime I bring up any argument you keep deflecting and changing the topic or going for an attack. You never actually say anything.
Case in point being your reply to me just now.
Why switch your opinion?
Where's the logic and reasoning?
Where's the proof for such a bold claim?
Where's literally anything of substance?Man, I don't really care. You can stroke your ego all you want, just don't do it in my thread. This thread is for accurate information and brainstorming.
"Your" thread doesn't exist if I don't bring up the topic of transdermal hormones in September 2019 both on the RPF and on MesoRx with my homemade formulas, both the DMSO one and the Ethanol/MCT one.
You piggy backed on my threads making small adjustments to the formula that bring nothing new to the absorption rate.
Switch my opinion to what ? I always had the same.
Would you like a cookie?
Actually, if anyone deserves to be called a pioneer, it’s this guy from 2002.
Genuine question, do you have a problem with reading comprehension?
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@brightside said in Experiments with transdermal hormones:
@Santosh said in Experiments with transdermal hormones:
@brightside said in Experiments with transdermal hormones:
@Santosh said in Experiments with transdermal hormones:
Oh I see, this whole thing is about your ego.
You can't accept that I started making threads about my discoveries back in 2019, and you arrived LONG after.Imagine my ego being tied to the topic of transdermal hormones LOL
I care about accurate information, which you bring none.
Notice how in my RPF thread, anytime I bring up any argument you keep deflecting and changing the topic or going for an attack. You never actually say anything.
Case in point being your reply to me just now.
Why switch your opinion?
Where's the logic and reasoning?
Where's the proof for such a bold claim?
Where's literally anything of substance?Man, I don't really care. You can stroke your ego all you want, just don't do it in my thread. This thread is for accurate information and brainstorming.
"Your" thread doesn't exist if I don't bring up the topic of transdermal hormones in September 2019 both on the RPF and on MesoRx with my homemade formulas, both the DMSO one and the Ethanol/MCT one.
You piggy backed on my threads making small adjustments to the formula that bring nothing new to the absorption rate.
Switch my opinion to what ? I always had the same.
Would you like a cookie?
Actually, if anyone deserves to be called a pioneer, it’s this guy from 2002.
Genuine question, do you have a problem with reading comprehension?
What specific points make you think I do ?
Elaborate, don't just throw sarcastic questions especially while hypocritically prefacing they are genuine.
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@Santosh Have you ever experimented with tren base topically?
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@metabolicmilk What would be the purpose for trying something like Tren in the first place? It's a pretty destructive substance that has essentially no health benefits to it. The only people who need to consider Tren are people trying to get as big as possible, and even most of them know you're playing with fire when you take that shit. I mean, it's your body. I don't care if people smoke crystal meth, I'm just genuinely curious how we go from "fixing the metabolism" to trenbolognia sandwiches.
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@Mulloch94 said in Experiments with transdermal hormones:
@metabolicmilk What would be the purpose for trying something like Tren in the first place? It's a pretty destructive substance that has essentially no health benefits to it. The only people who need to consider Tren are people trying to get as big as possible, and even most of them know you're playing with fire when you take that shit. I mean, it's your body. I don't care if people smoke crystal meth, I'm just genuinely curious how we go from "fixing the metabolism" to trenbolognia sandwiches.
Well the thread name is "experiments with transdermal hormones". You could call tren a hormone.
Back when it was legal there was a US-based company that made a tren PH in both a non-methylated oral form and a transdermal. They had some fancy oral / transdermal tech for good absorption and to avoid needing the methyl group. Would be good to see if that tech could be rejuvenated and applied to other hormones. I had a friend who tried the oral tren PH and the only side effects were higher BP and getting huge.
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@Crypt-Keeper Sounds interesting, I guess your boy is a lucky one. To only get a higher BP and nothing else is a modest reaction to be honest. Some people literally go crazy on the shit. Aggression, anxiety, insomina, even lactation. It's the most neurotoxin steroid out of all the anabolics. Of course, one can't deny the physical results people get from it. I however don't understand this logic of a solo tren cycle. People far more knowledgeable than I on the steroid topic has said a tren cycle should always be accompanied with test. That is if you want your dick to continue to work, lol.
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@metabolicmilk said in Experiments with transdermal hormones:
@Santosh Have you ever experimented with tren base topically?
Yes ! With tren base and Mtren in DMSO.
Completely cured my anhedonia and conditional fear I had developed abusing MK-677 in the past.
They are truly a miracle.I did 3 cycles of two weeks high dose of both.
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@Mulloch94 said in Experiments with transdermal hormones:
@metabolicmilk What would be the purpose for trying something like Tren in the first place? It's a pretty destructive substance that has essentially no health benefits to it. The only people who need to consider Tren are people trying to get as big as possible, and even most of them know you're playing with fire when you take that shit. I mean, it's your body. I don't care if people smoke crystal meth, I'm just genuinely curious how we go from "fixing the metabolism" to trenbolognia sandwiches.
Read my post above.
Stop thinking you may know anything about a hormone in particular just because you read forums. -
@Santosh Do you not think all the accounts people have of themselves (or family members) going crazy and literally threatening to harm themselves or others when taking tren isn't proof enough of it's toxic effects?
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@Mulloch94 said in Experiments with transdermal hormones:
@Santosh Do you not think all the accounts people have of themselves (or family members) going crazy and literally threatening to harm themselves or others when taking tren isn't proof enough of it's toxic effects?
You know these people personnally ?
Anybody can write anything on the internet, including me.
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@Santosh What's the significance of knowing them personally? Last time I checked there isn't some grand conspiracy against trenbolone. It's a substance that serves a particular purpose, and like anything, can have adverse reactions. Also 3 two week cycles isn't that much. I'm sure most people can get away with that before it becomes a huge issue. The typical tren cycle is like 10-12 weeks.
Also you're acting like the only knock on tren thus far is personal anecdotes on forums. We know from research it can elevate prolactin and downregulate serotonin autoreceptors (which isn't good). This supports some of the notable cardio effects users talk about on those forums, like tachycardia and, in extreme cases, heart failure.
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@Mulloch94 said in Experiments with transdermal hormones:
@Santosh What's the significance of knowing them personally? Last time I checked there isn't some grand conspiracy against trenbolone. It's a substance that serves a particular purpose, and like anything, can have adverse reactions. Also 3 two week cycles isn't that much. I'm sure most people can get away with that before it becomes a huge issue. The typical tren cycle is like 10-12 weeks.
Also you're acting like the only knock on tren thus far is personal anecdotes on forums. We know from research it can elevate prolactin and downregulate serotonin autoreceptors (which isn't good). This supports some of the notable cardio effects users talk about on those forums, like tachycardia and, in extreme cases, heart failure.
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Completely reversing anhedonia only took 3x2 weeks.
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You agree that this length of time is not enough to give any harmful effect.
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Why do you keep preaching the harmfulness of these drugs then ?
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@Santosh What is the mechanism of tren fixing anhedonia? I might have to give this a try, although I think mine might be more related to low E2.
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@Crypt-Keeper said in Experiments with transdermal hormones:
@Santosh What is the mechanism of tren fixing anhedonia? I might have to give this a try, although I think mine might be more related to low E2.
Strong androgen receptor agonism that finally wakes up the dormant receptors that haven't been used at all your whole life.
Look at how you and your generation looks like : soft cheeks, soft skin, frail looking without much muscle, thin neck, no energy.
Look at how men who were born in the 50s look like : thick leathery oily skin with strong beards, thick necks, broad shoulders, natural muscle mass without working out, very strong will and never back down when a fight comes up.
That means your receptors haven't worked much since the day you were born because of EDCs, the medications your mother took when she was pregnant, the soft way of life with computers you live.
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@Santosh said in Experiments with transdermal hormones:
What specific points make you think I do ?
Elaborate, don't just throw sarcastic questions especially while hypocritically prefacing they are genuine.
Why would I elaborate when you won't read it anyways? That's the point.
I'm not hypocritical, though. If you answer genuinely, I will too. Not everyone's like you
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@brightside said in Experiments with transdermal hormones:
@Santosh said in Experiments with transdermal hormones:
What specific points make you think I do ?
Elaborate, don't just throw sarcastic questions especially while hypocritically prefacing they are genuine.
Why would I elaborate when you won't read it anyways? That's the point.
I'm not hypocritical, though. If you answer genuinely, I will too. Not everyone's like you
Prefacing a question with the word "genuinely" while making this question rethorical and sarcastic is, indeed, hypocritical.
