Why are you all so religious
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@Hando-Jin Since 1980-ties neoliberals have been dissolving social structures and lowering/removing moral standards... Populistic/superficial Left also has some fair share in this...
It has gone too far...
Our ecosystems want to counterbalance this... Therefore we have a social need for more constraints and guidelines. Many conflate this need for more structure with introducing religious approaches...A little learning is a dangerous thing ;
Drink deep, or taste not the Pierian spring :
There shallow draughts intoxicate the brain,
And drinking largely sobers us again.
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@Truth I do not put ultimate value on energy, well-being, & fertility. Like Schopenhauer and that dork Nietczhe after him, I think art is the heighest aim of humanity. Art trancends the will into objectivity. At certain times you can borrow the beatific vision for a moment. I think the adante on Mozart's 21 piano concerto is worth more than some neanderthal man having a high energy level and wanting to get laid(lol). I think it is a mistake to make a metabolic lifestyle the ultimate aim. Peat talked about this too. You want a good health to aid you in achieving your greatest potential. It is good that you attack pedo's though. These people should be publicly sterilized.
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@Norwegian-Mugabe said in Why are you all so religious:
@Truth I do not put ultimate value on energy, well-being, & fertility. Like Schopenhauer and that dork Nietczhe after him, I think art is the heighest aim of humanity. Art trancends the will into objectivity. At certain times you can borrow the beatific vision for a moment. I think the adante on Mozart's 21 piano concerto is worth more than some neanderthal man having a high energy level and wanting to get laid(lol). I think it is a mistake to make a metabolic lifestyle the ultimate aim. Peat talked about this too. You want a good health to aid you in achieving your greatest potential. It is good that you attack pedo's though. These people should be publicly sterilized.
why do you consider "art" to be mankind's highest goal when it's not necessarily associated with a significant increase in the degree of energy, well-being, joy over the long term, either for the person who supposedly made it, or for the people and/or majority of people exposed to it?
how do you measure what is positive and what is negative if not by its impact on the energy, well-being, joy, longevity, fertility of the person and/or the majority of people?
The point about "Christian" child abusers is that it shows that being "Christian" in itself doesn't make you tend towards an optimal Degree of energy and/or Masculinity, without considering other factors
Thrive for the highest degree of energy
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@Truth These people were liberal. Read what I wrote about Vatican II. I have answered your other question previously both in this thread and in a previous thread. See what I wrote about overcoming the will through objectivity. You can also read again the answers I provided you when we discussed this earlier in the other thread. You are bringing up the same points again and again even though you have been given the answers.
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@Norwegian-Mugabe said in Why are you all so religious:
@Truth These people were liberal. Read what I wrote about Vatican II. I have answered your other question previously both in this thread and in a previous thread. See what I wrote about overcoming the will through objectivity. You can also read again the answers I provided you when we discussed this earlier in the other thread. You are bringing up the same points again and again even though you have been given the answers
There are reports of pedophilia by "Christians" before "Vatican 2", Just because you've mentioned some of your beliefs on other threads doesn't mean it's not useful for you to do so here, i don't remember everything you wrote, I don't feel like rereading each of these threads, and I'm not the only reader
You haven't answered if it's your belief that no non-Catholic "true Christian" has committed child abuse in modern times
You say in the small text below your comments "The purpose of art is not the release of a momentary ejection of adrenaline but is, rather, the gradual, lifelong construction of a state of wonder and serenity.", it implies that you think that wonder and serenity on the long term are the highest aim and/or have the most value in life(as you said "art" is, and that the purpose of art is wonder and serenity), serenity is often associated with well being,
Why would you think that serenity is one of humanity's two highest goals (along with wonder) if not because you feel it as well-being and/or because it increases your well-being?
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I'm not, religion is for people who can't accept the slow moving train of science will one day answer the god equation.
But there's a far more fundamental reason why a large religious presence exist on forums. Most - if not all - forums are notoriously right wing. I mean FAR right.
That's because mainstream social media platforms are bombarded by progressives. And up until Elon Musk's takeover of twitter, they were mostly selectively targeted for removal.
And it's not like twitter is right-winged now, there's still MANY progressives voices on their platform, they're just less militant about removing people now. But twitter is just one platform. Most of the others are still heavily progressive.
I dislike progressives and fascists, so I've basically always been a nomad lol. In fact I dislike fascists more. Progressives are typically always idiots, and I don't find them threatening. People like Curtis Yarvin are intelligent and evil, and therefore a formidable enemy.
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@Hando-Jin Ray wasn't Christian? Time to abandon my faith. I am Christian because it's true not because I thought Ray Peat was. You can ask Landshark on twitter about it if you are actually curious. But usually questions like this are in bad faith trying to feign intellectual superiority over people who are Christian
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@Kvirion said in Why are you all so religious:
@Hando-Jin Since 1980-ties neoliberals have been dissolving social structures and lowering/removing moral standards... Populistic/superficial Left also has some fair share in this...
It has gone too far...
Our ecosystems want to counterbalance this... Therefore we have a social need for more constraints and guidelines. Many conflate this need for more structure with introducing religious approaches...The only social topic Christians can talk about is abortion
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@Hando-Jin said in Why are you all so religious:
The only social topic Christians can talk about is abortion
It's most probably a power grab...
BTW As a society, we have mostly lost the ability to discuss sensitive topics.There was a research paper in Nature, that great religions usually appear after the rise of larger cities/civilizations - as an invisible policeman with divine authority was needed to maintain order...
Most people are unable to create their code of ethics, they prefer to (mostly superficially) obey (predefined) religious rules to be part of a crowd/flock. Religions are also a tool to effectively force citizens to obey... As non-religious laws failed (have been corrupted) in many ways...
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@reformedski said in Why are you all so religious:
@Hando-Jin Ray wasn't Christian? Time to abandon my faith. I am Christian because it's true not because I thought Ray Peat was. You can ask Landshark on twitter about it if you are actually curious.
No, I don't think Ray ever thought of himself as a Christian. He criticized them.
But usually questions like this are in bad faith trying to feign intellectual superiority over people who are Christian
I just get bored of so many threads turned into a bible study group. I think it's bad manners.
Religious people being oblivious to how overbearing they can be is nothing new I suppose.
I'm also genuinely curious as to why 'peaters' bother with religion when it's obviously of so little practical value.
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@Hando-Jin said in Why are you all so religious:
I'm also genuinely curious as to why 'peaters' bother with religion when it's obviously of so little practical value.
There is some evidence which suggests that spirituality and religion can help people cope with stress. Spirituality and religion can provide a sense of meaning and purpose and a community of support. These things can help manage stress by giving people a sense of control and hope...
A little learning is a dangerous thing ;
Drink deep, or taste not the Pierian spring :
There shallow draughts intoxicate the brain,
And drinking largely sobers us again.
~Alexander Pope, An Essay on Criticism -
@Hando-Jin Anyone who knows the real versions of Ancient History (most people don't), knows that all religions are different variations of true stories that occurred (The fact of the matter is God is real and Ancient civilizations on Earth had deep connections with the spiritual realm that is in fact, real).
Why did Ancient civilizations around the world make human sacrifices regularly to entities that seem to be "mythical"? Were they all just a bunch of brain-dead cavemen or do they know something that you don't? Think about it. Who could've taught them to engage in such practices?
The Powers that Be are extremely religious themselves, although most people are not really too familiar with the religious secrets they hold dear or the kind of relationship they have with God (so much so that they make sacrifices to God and are well educated in the secrets of Ancient History).
We all like to think of the Universe as energy, correct? So why would you neglect the spiritual realm when it is indeed energy as well and you have the power to connect with spiritual entities for various purposes ? (Energy, Blessings, Protection, etc.)
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@JamesGatz
This is just too true.
Ever since I started feeding my cat grass fed organs I have all sorts of weird cats I’ve never seen near my house before coming to the window and trying to attack my cat. Definitely something else other than what we are with our eyes. The order of events doesn’t make sense any other way...
Sometimes I’ll feel a cold gust of air in the house and my cat comes running to me.. He will just be looking all around as if there’s something he sees that we can’t.
Then we have all the synchronicities that happen in our lives, seeing certain numbers etc.. I don’t know how people don’t see there is something else to our world, it’s definitely not just ‘cope’.
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@Truth The abuse crisis has drastically gone out of our Catholic institutions in America to almost non existent compared to what it used to be, meanwhile every other institution still has the problem at horrible rates. A few decades after the hierarchy and church members really understood what was going on it was very cracked down on.
I understand that it makes it harder to see that the instution is divinely instituted, but it is not contrary to reason that God would temporarily allow certain individuals to exercise their wills in an evil way against him and against others in his church.
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@Hando-Jin Considering that you live in a world of decay where noone can maintain optimal energy function and they eventually die and suffocate to death even though we all desire to have happiness to the fullest should be a sign that the way the world is now is not how it used to/is supposed to be. We are designed and drawn to immortal happiness, immortal regeneration.
I'm not saying that this is a sole reason to believe in the Christian worldview but the fact that everything is striving towards infinite happiness but is not able to achieve it is something to ponder.
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@dan-saintdominic said in Why are you all so religious:
The abuse crisis has drastically gone out of our Catholic institutions in America to almost non existent compared to what it used to be, meanwhile every other institution still has the problem at horrible rates. A few decades after the hierarchy and church members really understood what was going on it was very cracked down on.
What a joke. They busted a gay sex party IN THE VATICAN LAST YEAR. It's a vile, corrupt institution and the only reason there has been any decrease in these activities is because light has been shed on it so many countless times. You have ZERO understanding of this phenomenon if you say they found out and then put a stop to it. They were shuffling around priests for years. There were scandals year after year, and again and again it implicated higher and higher positioned people that would just move around the offenders.
I remember reading about a Belgian communist, who started his political agitation writing about pederasty in the Church and was kicked out of his university. GET THIS: THIS HAPPENED IN 1965. Between this and the 2001 Boston scandal almost FORTY YEARS ELAPSED. IN THIS SCANDAL 7% OF THE CLERGY WAS FOUND TO HAVE BEEN OFFENDERS!
I wish I could simply call you ignorant, but in reality saying something like this actually makes you a very vile person.
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@dan-saintdominic I love the cognitive dissonance too. You get an even worse, albeit more consistent, version of it with many ''traditional'' Catholics, or the protestants that say they're Catholics but don't believe there has been a pope after Vatican II;
the idea that the Church has become so liberalized and that's why it's evil now. That now when they're only raping kids they're kind of bad, but during the Spanish inquisition when they could murder adults, or during WWII when they en masse collaborated with the Nazis they were really a force for good.
