Bioenergetic Guide to Pregnancy?
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What are things pregnant women should be especially attentive of? I am hoping this could be a kind of ultimate thread to discuss what could be beneficial around the time of pregnancy. I have some examples of what the questions could be.
Pre-pregnancy: What to do when having trouble conceiving? Optimal life-style for a couple (to produce the healthiest child)? (Also, does this even matter?) Are prenatal vitamins good?
During pregnancy: How to deal with morning sickness? Dealing with cravings? (Should you simply indulge, or are there specific foods only that you should eat in excess?)
Post-pregnancy: Postpartum depression? Dealing with skin damage? (Loose skin or stretch marks)
In regards to the two last ones, I actually have some ideas of remedies which I have heard worked. I remember a woman on Twitter struggling with low libido after multiple births, but upon taking progesterone, like what is sold by Ray Peat’s wife (I think it was a different brand though), she started using the half-conscious morning wood of her husband because he had started saying he couldn’t keep up.
As for skin damage, I believe the function of pregnenolone is in part to help with this, so perhaps supplementing at some point is a good idea. I also remember Ray Peat advising a woman who was quite unhappy with her stretch marks, I believe he simply recommended oysters and eggs (both copper sources). I think dinner dates at restaurants where oysters are served would be quite beneficial, as the woman might regain confidence in her looks on these dates from dressing up (mentally) and eating the oysters (physically). This may be hard to arrange during the early months of raising a child, but after it should be possible to do every other week or so.
These questions are just suggestions, I would like to hear any experiences that you, your wives, mothers or similar have had, as long as you think it could help others.
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@ILikeToGetPeatOn Good thread, I am also very interested in this topic since we plan to have children soon.
In general, I guess it is extra important to avoid unnecessary stress during pregnancy and to keep the woman well nourished at all times.
I am wondering whether any Peatarians have tried the supplemental progesterone Peat has mentioned multiple times which should lead to above average intelligence in the offspring. I asked this question quite a while ago on RPF, but hardly got any answers. It seems like many men are more interested in keeping their scalp hair and growing their penises than having superior children...
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@Atman said in Bioenergetic Guide to Pregnancy?:
@ILikeToGetPeatOn It seems like many men are more interested in keeping their scalp hair and growing their penises than having superior children...
Lollled at this, certainly feels that way!
I really want to know anyone’s experience with taking progesterone before and into pregnancy. I had terrible morning sickness my first bub, but I’m hoping the next one may be different if taking progesterone (morning sickness linked to estrogen dominance)
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Great thread. How many women are even on here though?
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none because they all got scared off by the people posting dumb shit
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Female here
Four pregnancies
Two successful
So I may bring a few different thingsIm at work
But here are some top thoughtsThe guy above hit some major points
- low stress
THIS COVERS A MILLION THINGS
Ie: when your blood sugar is labile. That’s stressful. It raises cortisol and steals progesterone…. - no over exercise or exercise addiction
- eating robustly. Always.
- eating a wide variety of foods
- getting sun
- being ready for change. For your life to change. Even your worldview or identity.
- ready to be a parent. Not just have babies
- forecast financially. Is it necessary to work full time? To work at all?
- postpartum care set up. The US really cuts this short
- enjoy the miracle of pregnancy and the birth experience. It’s YOUR journey. Try to block out all the dogma.
- prepare your pet if needed
- and again. Don’t stress. No worry. Trust your body. If you give it what it needs- the body is highly adaptable to protect the baby in my experience
- and if you loose a pregnancy. Deep breath. Assess. And have hope as you relax and adjust.
- stay away from fertility treatments or clinics
That’s just a bit
Thx for starting this thread
One act of obedience is better than one hundred sermons.
-DB
- low stress
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Firstly, I must have attracted several females to this forum.
No thread could be more important. This advice from Ray is crucial. I think women need to be very attentive to what their body tells them. Enough sugar and other macronutrients are a must. Stress should also be avoided. It is very common to paint the inside of the house during pregnancy, and I doubt that this is a good idea. You probably need at least two years of no PUFA and nutrient-dense diet before pregnancy. Avoid the VAX too. I think it also important for the man to get his testosterone levels to above 800 pre-pregnancy to get the best offspring.
Put yourself on fire for peak energy metabolism.
Ignore, judge, overcommit.
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@Atman said in Bioenergetic Guide to Pregnancy?:
we plan to have children soon.
@Atman Have you not read about the vanity of existence
?I also forgot to mention that waist-to-hip ratio should be around 0.7. I am measuring them bitches.
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Bioenergetic basics: Thyroid good (supplement if needed), no fasting, plenty of fruits/sugars, no extremely strenuous exercise but plenty of outside physical activity, sunshine, weekly liver, oysters, daily egg yolks, gelatin, etc, etc, etc.
Progest-E in the fertility cycle IIRC from ovulation to menstruation then stop.
Supplements where needed such as K2, D, E, A, etc.
Good sleep, no alarm clocks, early to bed.
Toxin-free lifestyle, no plastic water bottles, makeup, standard deodorants, shampoos, tupperware, etc etc etc.
Make sure air quality is good.
Good body composition, don't be too fat or skinny.
Good health overall; get some health tests if needed, Danny Roddy has a great list of tests one can get focused on bioenergetic approach.
Done.
I can confirm all this led us from some fertility problems to a very healthy easy pregnancy and birth and a very healthy beautiful symmetrical intelligent precocious child.
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@Atman First of all I must apologize to you, as I am probably one of the most penis- and balding-obsessed people on the planet.
However, in regards to progesterone supplementation during pregnancy, I have also read some tweets. (Including these by [at]BradCohn & pikeypilled)
https://twitter.com/BradCohn/status/1688627021541167105
https://twitter.com/pikeypilled/status/1576968564002934784
Both are based on Katharina Dalton’s work, I believe Peat quite liked her work, he and Peaters in general seem to bring her up a lot.In Dalton’s article “Ante-natal Progesterone and Intelligence”, it was actually the early motor skills that stood out to me, the progesterone children started walking quite early. Compared to the control group, they were almost twice as likely to have started walking at their first birthday. In regards to the IQ several standard deviations above the average I am somewhat skeptical, at least when it comes to how that holds up in adulthood, but it seems positive.
Other than that I wish you and your wife well, I hope you have a beautiful family with as many healthy children as you want.
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@Peatful Thank you for taking time off work to answer. May I say that I appreciate your advice a lot, especially that your advice can be followed by anybody without a dozen meetings with doctors. If you see this, can I ask how you dealt with the limited amount of time and sleep that people have when their kids are very young? Most of the things I do to relax and keep stress low involve situations where I am unbothered for multiple hours, such as painting, crochet, playing games or watching movies. I suppose taking a walk with a stroller is one thing to do with a child, but I can’t imagine much else.
I am also glad you overcame the unsuccessful pregnancies, it is a tragic thing that is all too common.
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@Norwegian-Mugabe Thank you for your input and the clip. I am glad to also see things a man can do other than help his wife, although that is important. But I have to ask what testosterone does in this case, does it help with having large / healthy children or is it just to conceive? I am also not very aware of the bioenergetic attitude to testosterone, do you recommend testosterone replacement therapy or natural ways if it is below 800?
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@questforhealth said in Bioenergetic Guide to Pregnancy?:
none because they all got scared off by the people posting dumb shit
Women don’t scare that easily, not by little boys anyway
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@Shar_to_the_dae One of the things that inspired me to make this thread was actually a tweet by [at]BradCohn, regarding his sick wife. It was not morning sickness, but cramps and a headache, but I hope you find something that helps you whenever you get pregnant again.
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@Evolutionarily I am glad to hear that general bioenergetic advice appears to also apply when it comes to pregnancy, and I am especially glad that it has led you to a healthy child, thanks a lot.
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@ILikeToGetPeatOn Always hike the T-levels by natural means. T-Levels correlate with healthier semen production, which will ensure better progeny. I think it is best to conceive during the summer after much time spent outdoors in the sun.
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@ILikeToGetPeatOn said in Bioenergetic Guide to Pregnancy?:
@Peatful Thank you for taking time off work to answer. May I say that I appreciate your advice a lot, especially that your advice can be followed by anybody without a dozen meetings with doctors. If you see this, can I ask how you dealt with the limited amount of time and sleep that people have when their kids are very young? Most of the things I do to relax and keep stress low involve situations where I am unbothered for multiple hours, such as painting, crochet, playing games or watching movies. I suppose taking a walk with a stroller is one thing to do with a child, but I can’t imagine much else.
I am also glad you overcame the unsuccessful pregnancies, it is a tragic thing that is all too common.
Im so glad I said something that had value for you.
You will definitely figure out your ebb and flow
Being aware now of this profound and real change is really good
I say
Again
My opinion
You follow youBut the advice of:
sleep when the baby sleeps is wiseKnow that for those first three months to possibly two years that your sleep and therefore your well-being is a priority
Then instead of you painting
You will introduce your child to finger painting
Blowing bubbles
Finding creative and tactile ways to play in the sand or play-doh
Making your own baby food
Bath time fun
Rocking and readingYou are going to love to explore a whole new level of creativity with them
It’s such a wonderful
But albeit exhausting timeAll my best
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Thanks to the both of you @Peatful & @Norwegian-Mugabe
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I have read the Dalton studies and I'm not particularly impressed by the statistics involved and I've not seen a convincing mechanism for how progesterone raises intelligence.
That being said, I believe that progesterone is indispensable for protecting the developing brain(especially in 3rd trimester when the brain begins to accumulate omega-3s), facilitating cell differentiation, and protecting the developing fetus from endotoxin exposures. I would add that the personality observations of progesterone babies is probably valid. Progesterone, by itself, may not raise IQ but it will protect from lowered IQ.
There was a guy on the RPF whose wife took 100mg progesterone daily mixed with tocopherols, and 1 grain of thyroid. He stated that the progesterone and thyroid child was particularly outgoing, thoughtful, and energetic, in contrast to their older siblings. Normally, we expect a reverse trend.
This is unsurprising, given the observed phenomenon of thyroid hormone on brain development. Allegedly, scientists in the 40s grafted additional thyroids onto tadpoles. In one case, the alleged effect on brain growth was so severe that it caused the cranium of the tadpole to shatter. I say "alleged" because I have looked high and low for the study in question(Rey, 1948), to no avail. I suspect it to be either fake or lost.
Either way, the human brain has evolved for tens of thousands of years to have access to iodine, selenium, omega-3, and exogenous thyroid hormone. Omega-3 is not a universal benefit-not a shock to anyone here-but the role of omega-3 in the developing brain(3rd trimester to ~2 years old) is seemingly undeniable and I would not deprive a young child of omega-3, specifically DHA. Omega-3 ratio in diet has a U-shaped effect wherein very low has negative effects and very high has similarly negative effects. A balanced Peaty diet with occasional seafoods and/or grass-fed beef should be more than enough in quantity and ratio. You might get fresh fish eggs and eat those raw, as a treat.
