Has anyone felt worse after eating seed oils?
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Almost every Peaty thing I've tried like coffee, sugar, milk, aspirin, high carb, etc. has had noticably good effects. However, I can't really tell much of a difference from seed oils or saturated fat. Has anyone noticed obvious effects from the removal or insertion of seed oils or nuts/seeds?
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@dan-dominic Peat has said it takes 4 years for PUFA depletion. It's a long-term preventative process, more like an insurance than anything you will see immediate benefits from.
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I think PUFA depletion has made me more sunburn resistant. It only took a few months before I first noticed a difference.
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@dan-dominic A high metabolic rate will just safely store PUFA in the adipose tissues. Your body will always preferentially burn sugar if it's available. But as we age, our fat stores become increasingly more unsaturated. Along with a decline in liver function as we get old, we can no longer safely "handle" the PUFA, whether that be through storage, glucuronidation, lipolysis, etc. You won't feel noticeably worse in the short-term from just eating something with seed oils in it.
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Feel worse after eating seed oils, or corn oil in particular? Yes, about two years after going Pufa free, doing the usual aspirin, vitamin E etc etc etc.
Was at a relative's home and had their otherwise excellent homemade sausage for dinner, just some and not too much. 20-30 minutes later my guts got very tight, almost a stomach ache. It stayed that way for hours. I had found out later that evening that it was fried in corn oil.
A month or so later i unintentionally ate food fried in corn oil again, the stomach tightness was the giveaway, i had confirmed it afterward.
Now i make it a point to discreetly ask ahead of time.
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I've always felt better after seed oils. Mcdonalds or slop always makes me feels good. But this is how you know its from the devil.
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@BioEclectic Pork Sausage fried in corn oil is next level Anti-Peatism LOL. But thanks for sharing this.
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@lanadelesoteric Interesting... Maybe cause you don't have it that often?
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@dan-dominic Yeh presumably. I get a McDonalds like once a month (I get fillet o-fish and large fries) or some fried deep fried in seed oils with starch covered cheese. I just associated seed oil heavy foods with comfort and I used to love them when I was a kid. Its good to have seed oils now and again to strengthen your bodies resilience.
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@dan-dominic Pork is my favourite high PUFA food. So so good and its part of my culture so I indulge now and again.
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@dan-dominic Makes me feel worse acutely, but the ways in which it makes you feel worse are difficult to pinpoint. I suppose the most obvious thing is coughing. I typically never cough, but after a pufa meal I will.
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My wife and I have seen immediate improvement from ditching seed oils. That was when we were unaware of Ray Peat's theories about PUFA, so we still consumed large quantities of stuff like peanut butter, lard, chicken, various seeds and so on; we just stopped consuming the "evil 8" of industrial vegetable oils denounced by Cate Shanahan and Twitter bros. We immediately started losing weight without any restriction or calorie counting and there were many minor things like wounds healing much faster or skin looking better.
The biggest near-immediate improvement was in my wife's menstrual cycle. On a normal diet she experienced extremely painful periods that made her bedridden for 3-4 days each month. After ditching the seed oils every month was better, I think she was fully mobile on month 5 or so; and interestingly on month 8 she ate a restaurant meal right before her period and it was very painful again (not as bad as before stopping seed oils, but worse that several previous ones).
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@dan-dominic
LolI still indulge a couple of times a month maybe, well trimmed and with coconut oil. I do try to stay away from pork sausage though with it's high fat (PUFA) content and potential mystery ingredients. No bacon.
I don't consider pork flesh a high quality protein, or chicken for that matter. In addition to the coconut oil i'll often mitigate them with collagen/gelatin in the same meal, or after. Aspirin and Vit-E is a given.
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@lanadelesoteric said in Has anyone felt worse after eating seed oils?:
@dan-dominic Yeh presumably. I get a McDonalds like once a month (I get fillet o-fish and large fries) or some fried deep fried in seed oils with starch covered cheese. I just associated seed oil heavy foods with comfort and I used to love them when I was a kid. Its good to have seed oils now and again to strengthen your bodies resilience.
Careful, your body's PUFA stores replenish themselves rather quickly supposedly. But once every month or two is certainly better than every week or two i'm sure.
My personal concern with all of this is well over 40 years of PUFA consumption, I even downed 1/2 a bottle of fish oil and iron pills near the end. Then i stumbled upon Ray's website and even researched his references, what an eye opener.
Fast food french fries were the toughest to give up but i did so right away. I simply reminded myself that they are fried in old oxidized PUFA oil, a double whammy.
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All I have to do is look at a pufa meal and I feel close to a heart attack. I don’t know how those old people in care homes and hospitals can stomach it. My parents swapped butter for margarine. They were sold a lie, perhaps one of the biggest lies of their generation. The lie persists.
Keep it low and if low go lower
Pufa: Eat now pay later.
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@dan-dominic yes and no. Foods fried in seed oils will relialbily make me sick. Headache, stomach ache, diarrhea, muscle weakness, etc. Processed food with seed oils will also do this. But with whole foods like walnuts I'm fine.
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@Peatly Its not that complicated TBH. If you give an alcoholic 6 shots of vodka he might feel a little tipsy. If I gave you 6 shots of vodka you might throw up. I dont think alcohol is poison btw, but just an example how you can get a tolerance to overconsumption.
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@dan-dominic I feel a bit feverish sometimes if I binge some PUFA goyslop.
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@lanadelesoteric said in Has anyone felt worse after eating seed oils?:
I've always felt better after seed oils. Mcdonalds or slop always makes me feels good. But this is how you know its from the devil.
That's weird. Maybe you have never had a high quality homemade burger?
I had my fair share of BigMacs as a child and I loved them, but I didn't know any better. Now, after many years of cooking my own food, I can hardly get them down when I travel and have no other option. -
@Atman I don't really eat meat. I eat fillet-o-fish and the fries if I go. But no its fully rooted in childhood, I loved mcdonalds when I was a kid and it was like a 'treat' for me when I was a kid not a staple, so I associate with a reward. I like the ambience and overstimulating vibe of modern Mcdonalds as well.
I never feel worse after eating food from fast food joints.
