Has anyone felt worse after eating seed oils?
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@dan-dominic Makes me feel worse acutely, but the ways in which it makes you feel worse are difficult to pinpoint. I suppose the most obvious thing is coughing. I typically never cough, but after a pufa meal I will.
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My wife and I have seen immediate improvement from ditching seed oils. That was when we were unaware of Ray Peat's theories about PUFA, so we still consumed large quantities of stuff like peanut butter, lard, chicken, various seeds and so on; we just stopped consuming the "evil 8" of industrial vegetable oils denounced by Cate Shanahan and Twitter bros. We immediately started losing weight without any restriction or calorie counting and there were many minor things like wounds healing much faster or skin looking better.
The biggest near-immediate improvement was in my wife's menstrual cycle. On a normal diet she experienced extremely painful periods that made her bedridden for 3-4 days each month. After ditching the seed oils every month was better, I think she was fully mobile on month 5 or so; and interestingly on month 8 she ate a restaurant meal right before her period and it was very painful again (not as bad as before stopping seed oils, but worse that several previous ones).
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@dan-dominic
LolI still indulge a couple of times a month maybe, well trimmed and with coconut oil. I do try to stay away from pork sausage though with it's high fat (PUFA) content and potential mystery ingredients. No bacon.
I don't consider pork flesh a high quality protein, or chicken for that matter. In addition to the coconut oil i'll often mitigate them with collagen/gelatin in the same meal, or after. Aspirin and Vit-E is a given.
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@lanadelesoteric said in Has anyone felt worse after eating seed oils?:
@dan-dominic Yeh presumably. I get a McDonalds like once a month (I get fillet o-fish and large fries) or some fried deep fried in seed oils with starch covered cheese. I just associated seed oil heavy foods with comfort and I used to love them when I was a kid. Its good to have seed oils now and again to strengthen your bodies resilience.
Careful, your body's PUFA stores replenish themselves rather quickly supposedly. But once every month or two is certainly better than every week or two i'm sure.
My personal concern with all of this is well over 40 years of PUFA consumption, I even downed 1/2 a bottle of fish oil and iron pills near the end. Then i stumbled upon Ray's website and even researched his references, what an eye opener.
Fast food french fries were the toughest to give up but i did so right away. I simply reminded myself that they are fried in old oxidized PUFA oil, a double whammy.
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All I have to do is look at a pufa meal and I feel close to a heart attack. I don’t know how those old people in care homes and hospitals can stomach it. My parents swapped butter for margarine. They were sold a lie, perhaps one of the biggest lies of their generation. The lie persists.
Keep it low and if low go lower
Pufa: Eat now pay later.
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@dan-dominic yes and no. Foods fried in seed oils will relialbily make me sick. Headache, stomach ache, diarrhea, muscle weakness, etc. Processed food with seed oils will also do this. But with whole foods like walnuts I'm fine.
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@Peatly Its not that complicated TBH. If you give an alcoholic 6 shots of vodka he might feel a little tipsy. If I gave you 6 shots of vodka you might throw up. I dont think alcohol is poison btw, but just an example how you can get a tolerance to overconsumption.
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@dan-dominic I feel a bit feverish sometimes if I binge some PUFA goyslop.
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@lanadelesoteric said in Has anyone felt worse after eating seed oils?:
I've always felt better after seed oils. Mcdonalds or slop always makes me feels good. But this is how you know its from the devil.
That's weird. Maybe you have never had a high quality homemade burger?
I had my fair share of BigMacs as a child and I loved them, but I didn't know any better. Now, after many years of cooking my own food, I can hardly get them down when I travel and have no other option. -
@Atman I don't really eat meat. I eat fillet-o-fish and the fries if I go. But no its fully rooted in childhood, I loved mcdonalds when I was a kid and it was like a 'treat' for me when I was a kid not a staple, so I associate with a reward. I like the ambience and overstimulating vibe of modern Mcdonalds as well.
I never feel worse after eating food from fast food joints.
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@lanadelesoteric said in Has anyone felt worse after eating seed oils?:
I've always felt better after seed oils. Mcdonalds or slop always makes me feels good. But this is how you know its from the devil.
Lol, I have cheat meals every week but I never go for McDonalds. I always thought they were disgusting even back in the day. If I'm doing burgers a cheat meal for me is usually In-n-out double double protein style. Which still isn't that bad honestly, but I do eat fries with it. However most often my cheat meals is pizza, which was my favorite junk food back in the day.
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Fried foods are really the worst thing for your blood sugar and diabetes period. That combination of starch and grease is a one way ticket to looking like Nikocado Avocado
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@Mulloch94 You sound like you have a eating disorder. Having fried foods now and again will not make you look like Nikavacado. The point of Peating is not have a bizarre aversion to anything that doesn't fit within the rules, its a bout making yourself resilient to the world around you.
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@Mulloch94 said in Has anyone felt worse after eating seed oils?:
Fried foods are really the worst thing for your blood sugar and diabetes period. That combination of starch and grease is a one way ticket to looking like Nikocado Avocado
Agree. People underestimate fried pufa.
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Foods deep fried in PUFA oils are without a doubt the worst thing in the modern diet and should be avoided 100%. This really shouldn't be controversial on a Ray Peat forum. Peat always recommended getting as close to completely eliminating PUFA as possible.
I can easily notice when I eat anything with PUFA. I get chills and stomach pain immediately.
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When I was much younger I was particularly sensitive to food.
My Gran would always make lovely slow cooked lamb stews with potatoes and carrots and onions which I had no problems with and enjoyed very much, she fed me cheese and peeled apples in a bowl and always had sugary snacks for me. I would cry when I had to leave her house.
Every time without fail when we would go out to eat or get food ordered in from a fish and chips shop I would feel deathly sick afterwards and often throw up. The fish was always 'battered' which basically means deep fried in vegetable oil, and I never seemed to have a problem if I avoided the batter and ate the lean fish inside.
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I've noticed when I've eaten high PUFA food on a special occassion that I have the potential to hate myself very easily.
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@lanadelesoteric said in Has anyone felt worse after eating seed oils?:
@Mulloch94 You sound like you have a eating disorder. Having fried foods now and again will not make you look like Nikavacado. The point of Peating is not have a bizarre aversion to anything that doesn't fit within the rules, its a bout making yourself resilient to the world around you.
Did you not read in my comment where I talked about my cheat meals. Usually it's pizza, or burgers I like double double...with fries. I'll eat fried foods on occasion, but they're without a doubt one of the worst things you could ever put in your body. It's also very easy to overeat calorically dense combinations like that. The negative impact it has on your glucose regulation will make a lot of people hungry again in just a couple hours.
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@Mulloch94
Real pizza from a family owned pizzaria and non-fried burgers are the best cheat meals, watch those toppings of course. But i'm going to plant a seed in your head, those fries are cooked in old oxidized PUFA
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I find it disheartening that anyone would not notice the difference. Well I know I'm a highly sensitive person, so there's that.
I can eat a few grams of PUFA without noticing a difference, but just about any restaurant meal is going to make me feel bad. I start feeling a bit "cold" and mentally dull. I start spelling words wrong and forgetting things. Feeling deflated, low. Headache. And just a general gross feeling in my skin. Sometimes feeling like I can't breathe.
I don't know anything about the "depletion". I would think some people are just more sensitive than others. It's not like I've avoided PUFA like the plague. I've been eating a handful of Cheez-its here and there.
I can see PUFA being similar to estrogen. I think that's the real reason it's pushed by the government, along with everything estrogenic or serotonergic that reduces meaningful thinking and makes people likely to submit to authority.
Vitamin E helps a lot, but doesn't make me feel normal. Aspirin helps a PUFA headache.
