Why does only starch raise my temp well? (and sugar not)
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Ray peat wasnt vehemently against starch and so are many people here that are consuming it even daily but still many people are saying Sugar to be superior to starch so I wonder if this indicates something wrong in my metabolism?
I need starch to get going really else ill stay at 36.3 from waking but i eat starch i get to feel warm in my whole body and temp goes to 36.7 underarm and i feel better. I eat sugar in for breakfast like Pear juice, gelatin, fruit, honey, greek yogurth and i dont find it to raise my temp really at all. At night i eat sugar to keep my hands warm and works but also not fantastically but i cant eat starch so late due to gastritis and ppi cause me digestion problems. -
@neverever said in Why does only starch raise my temp well? (and sugar not):
Ray peat wasnt vehemently against starch and so are many people here that are consuming it even daily but still many people are saying Sugar to be superior to starch so I wonder if this indicates something wrong in my metabolism?
I need starch to get going really else ill stay at 36.3 from waking but i eat starch i get to feel warm in my whole body and temp goes to 36.7 underarm and i feel better. I eat sugar in for breakfast like Pear juice, gelatin, fruit, honey, greek yogurth and i dont find it to raise my temp really at all. At night i eat sugar to keep my hands warm and works but also not fantastically but i cant eat starch so late due to gastritis and ppi cause me digestion problems.Because you have dysbiosis and only starch moves you bowel enough for bacteria not to stagnate and release endotoxins.
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@Santosh do you think its possible to fix microbiome while taking ppi? Or first have to fix gut lining or whatever and just deal with it. I have mastic gum and carrot salad, raw honey and lots of coconut oil but i still get white tongue in the morning
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@neverever said in Why does only starch raise my temp well? (and sugar not):
@Santosh do you think its possible to fix microbiome while taking ppi? Or first have to fix gut lining or whatever and just deal with it. I have mastic gum and carrot salad, raw honey and lots of coconut oil but i still get white tongue in the morning
The only way to fix your gut is a raw carnivore diet
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@Santosh extremely not peaty
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@Santosh All this issues started from eating raw fish bro
I ate raw meat for a year nothing happened second time i tried raw fish (in bigger portion i ate sushi before and also once after) it fucked up my stomach so bad i suffer it still 1.5 month after -
@neverever Raw fish is loaded with parasites and toxic heavy metals. I'm pretty sure @santosh was referring to raw meat from ruminant animals, i.e., cow, goat, lamb.
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@ddubb I just ate raw fish several days in a row. Mmmmm. No issues here, or with my missus.
I can get GI issues with bad oil from all fish and chips these days... usually cottonseed oil here in Australia, and of course gmo canola oil for many restaurants. A friend here who used to run a fish and chips shop in the 80's and 90's said they used lard for the deep fryers, and in the early 90's switched to cottonseed oil because of 'social pressures'. He said the chips were never the same 'texture and taste' afterwards. I told him about the health issues related to various fats, and he sort of doesn't care too much now as he is in his mid 80's! But he can see how the 'push' to certain ingredients/foods can be dictated by groups with nefarious intentions.
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I could not understand why you don't qualify what kind of starch you eat and then people respond to you without asking what really is the starch you eat.
Is it white rice, tortilla, white bread? Or is it potato or sweet potato?
Without stating it so explicitly, you just leave it hard for your question to be answered well.
There is difference between eating white rice and sweet potato, for starters.
Eating white rice is more similar to eating table sugar, in that digestion quickly converts the food into glucose and into blood sugar. There is much less lag between eating the food and it coming down barreling into your blood vessels as blood sugar. Think of it as a sudden strong downpour that can cause flooding.
When you eat sweet potato, it takes a longer time for the starch to be digested and because of that, the glucose that comes from it slowly trickles into the blood over a longer period of time.
If your body can't handle sudden downpours of sugar into your blood, your blood sugar will easily "flood" and the high sugar level causes your liver to react (thru insulin signaling, assuming healthy pancreas) by converting sugar to fat. When an overreaction occurs, blood sugar drops too much, and you will be in low blood sugar territory, even for just a short time.
Just that short time (but it dipped for just a split second!) is enough to disrupt an otherwise smoothly operating process to cause your liver to stop the conversion of T4 to T3, and that alone can wreak havoc on a chain of handoffs of processes that determine how well you metabolize sugar and produce energy optimally.
I hope that explains to you in your state of metabolic health, you are better off eating a starch that is a complex carbohydrate (such as sweet potato) than a simple sugar.
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@zawisza said in Why does only starch raise my temp well? (and sugar not):
@Santosh extremely not peaty
And ?
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@ddubb Yeah I just cant eat it rn cause i have this fucking ppi reduce my stomach acid and digestion i never got sick from raw meat (i ate raw ground beef even from supermarket (seldom) in uk, italy and austria and nothing happened) only time i got sick in that time was when i went eat a hamburger with fries lmao
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@AkJono I eat raw sushi etc too but that fish must have had something wrong with it i ate that same fish from supermarket before and nothing happened so idk im not trying my luck again tho only fresh fish now
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@yerrag I eat quite a bit of sugar and it feels good as long as I dont go overboard but its hard to get enough calories and it doesnt fullfill me as much. I eat mostly rice (like 250g a day maybe if both meals) for lunch and dinner and lunch with a meat. Sometimes I have a bread with butter and a bit of emmental too for a snack in the afternoon then for dinner again rice with egg or sth sometimes pasta with gorgonzola cheese (only pasta i can eat pretty much lol) but its still not best for my digestion I think. Over the course of the night until bed I do ok with 1L 1.8% milk and like 100-150g dates as its easy on digestion and I can sleep better and not hungry actually often at night is the time i feel best of the day. Maybe its cause milk cause today I had some milk for breakfast and i got to 36.6 without starch.
Im kinda scared to add new foods cause i dont wanna like feel cold depressed shit again its like a ptsd lmao. Like 2 days ago I tried making buckwheat pancakes felt ok but next day was super hypo and like 36.1 temp all afternoon so im scared to try this new stuff again when the other stuff keeps working lol although can never be sure what the real cause was. -
so what are the starch you eat aside from rice? And what rice do you eat, brown or white? And what starch were you eating that makes you feel higher temps?
were you experiencing lower temps eating white sugar?
there are more experiments you can make as far as eating other starches such as sweet potato, to see if you can reach higher temps.
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@yerrag I eat white basmati rice as i ate other rice once 3 weeks ago and got farting all night lol. As for bread only white or pasta. Thats all starch i eat. Basically starch + fat (+ protein) = good temp increase I think
Idk about white sugar i put it in my tea or milk sometime at night when i feel i need more energy but not really consume much. (warm) Milk + sugar /honey is really good for warming up i think but i never measured. Mostly my thing is the fruit dont get up my temp that well really. When i am cold i can eat like 8 dates and i warm hands again for a bit but it doesnt really make me Feel warm just alleviates cold hands if i didnt eat in some time.
I might try to some sweet potato ig if i can digest it. Why would sweet ptoato make me reach higher temps?
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@neverever said in Why does only starch raise my temp well? (and sugar not):
might try to some sweet potato ig if i can digest it. Why would sweet ptoato make me reach higher temps?
If you can back read my first reply to you, you will find my explanation.
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@yerrag I understand it kinda but idk if that my issue? how would i know? When I Had bloodtest (i was more sick then tho) I had 90 fasting blood sugar.
I tried today at lunch and its the same as with the rice (Maybe boiling destroy starch?). But it tasted really great im sure gonna add it as it also has nice micronutrients. 36.8-36.7 celsius after eating then slowly dropping with energy loss. I dont think it lasted me for longer than the rice either it was pretty much felt the same except a bit of harder digestion maybe but nothing dealbreaking. Also had buckwheat pancake now for early dinner as Im sick of rice and my temp gone from 36.3 to 37 immediately and still 30 minutes after and sweating (its 25 clesius in my room rn ig its ok).
Maybe i just need constant supply of "starch+fat+some fructose for glucose" throughout the day like 6 meals or sth -
@neverever said in Why does only starch raise my temp well? (and sugar not):
@yerrag I understand it kinda but idk if that my issue? how would i know? When I Had bloodtest (i was more sick then tho) I had 90 fasting blood sugar.
You can tell from a 5hr oral glucose tolerance test (OGTT). But medical labs don't do that anymore. And if they do, it's only the 2 or 3hr version which is practically useless. The system replaced the test with the HbA1c test, which is intentionally useless to keep us from really finding out and fixing our blood sugar regulation.
The way out for me is to do my own 5hr oral glucose tolerance test at home using a glucometer. But it's better if you can find a naturopath who can do the OGTT.
I tried today at lunch and its the same as with the rice (Maybe boiling destroy starch?). But it tasted really great im sure gonna add it as it also has nice micronutrients. 36.8-36.7 celsius after eating then slowly dropping with energy loss. I dont think it lasted me for longer than the rice either it was pretty much felt the same except a bit of harder digestion maybe but nothing dealbreaking. Also had buckwheat pancake now for early dinner as Im sick of rice and my temp gone from 36.3 to 37 immediately and still 30 minutes after and sweating (its 25 clesius in my room rn ig its ok).
Maybe i just need constant supply of "starch+fat+some fructose for glucose" throughout the day like 6 meals or sthI'm basing on an assumption that your blood sugar yoyos after eating something that becomes glucose in blood. When it is a complex carbohydrate, it yoyos less because what you ate does not quickly get digested and converted to glucose because extra processing is needed. So your blood sugar stays in a range where it can be absorbed and converted to energy by tissues- for a much longer period.
Sweet potato is one such complex carb, so your temperature can stay up for much longer. Perhaps the soba noodle that left you feeling warmer is a complex carb as well, or it is that what accompanied the soba (meat likely) also increased the processing/digesting time such that you can also experience the warm effects longer after you eat it.
When you practice grazing, you are adapting to the imperfect blood sugar regulation you currently have. It gets you through the day. When you eat, if you have a piece of steak with rice, you're also making the digestion of the food take longer and this extends the time at which your blood sugar stays in range for sugar absorption and metabolism can happen. When I was like you before, I would feel great eating a large piece of meat with my carbs.
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@yerrag yeah First of all thanks I appreciate the help. Im not sure I will do the test tbh cause it costs money etc. and i first wanna fix my gut anyway.
On the blood sugar i see what you mean i try to combine the big portions of glucose always with protein and fat for that reason already but i see how you mean the slower release to help me. Today I woke with 36.4 actually Im not sure if its from that more complex carb or just cause i slept well? Today I just had rice as I forgot to buy the potato agian and was lazy. I managed to keep stable with just small portions of milk and fruit throughout the afternoon tho and due to also having nice weather today / tanning was able to reach the 37 multiple times. Ill see how i am doing temp wise tomorow morning to compare.
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@neverever You're getting the idea. You manage knowing what your condition is. Unless you change your condition to where your body can assimilate sudden large intake of glucose and metabolize them, you can use different methods to cope. Grazing you already do, and changing from eating white ride to brown rice is another. Sweet potato has more or less the same property as brown rice. Both have fibers that make the digestive process take longer.
