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    LetTheRedeemed @S.Holmes
    last edited by Sep 7, 2024, 11:12 PM

    @S-Holmes for sure

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      S.Holmes @LetTheRedeemed
      last edited by S.Holmes Sep 14, 2024, 2:13 PM Sep 14, 2024, 2:12 PM

      Quick update. I'm still on 6 TBSPs of glucose 3 to 4 times a day. I've been taking my temperature again lately and am amazed. My afternoon temps are running 99° to 99.3°. I used to take thyroid (T3), maybe 10 years ago, and my temps were still in the dumpster. The thyroid didn't do much for me. So I've had an aha moment. In order for thyroid to work it must have enough glucose. (RP101), so the glucose therapy is restoring thyroid function. I have never restricted sugar, never done the keto diet, but apparently my high stress levels and PUFA's were enough to wreck my metabolism. Glucose to the rescue!

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        S.Holmes @S.Holmes
        last edited by Sep 14, 2024, 2:20 PM

        Another quick observation. In my part of the world, ragweed is giving everyone grief right now, and yesterday my eyes were really burning. I remembered Dr Stephens said to take glucose until symptoms subside, so I took an extra dose. Within minutes my eyes stopped burning. I continue to be amazed.

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          LetTheRedeemed @S.Holmes
          last edited by Sep 14, 2024, 6:05 PM

          @S-Holmes Pretty Peaty solution. I've done that with caffeine too, the last several years

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            S.Holmes @LetTheRedeemed
            last edited by S.Holmes Sep 14, 2024, 7:13 PM Sep 14, 2024, 7:10 PM

            @LetTheRedeemed Yes! Glucose AND Caffeine for the win!!

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              LetTheRedeemed @S.Holmes
              last edited by LetTheRedeemed Sep 15, 2024, 2:48 AM Sep 15, 2024, 2:41 AM

              @S-Holmes ❤️🙏

              FYI, I played with caffeine pills for a while and can confirm the experiences of others, that coffee has a more pronounced caffeine effect than pure caffeine alone.

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                Jaffe @S.Holmes
                last edited by Sep 15, 2024, 8:51 AM

                @S-Holmes said in Glucose loading cures everything?:

                Quick update. I'm still on 6 TBSPs of glucose 3 to 4 times a day. I've been taking my temperature again lately and am amazed. My afternoon temps are running 99° to 99.3°. I used to take thyroid (T3), maybe 10 years ago, and my temps were still in the dumpster. The thyroid didn't do much for me. So I've had an aha moment. In order for thyroid to work it must have enough glucose. (RP101), so the glucose therapy is restoring thyroid function. I have never restricted sugar, never done the keto diet, but apparently my high stress levels and PUFA's were enough to wreck my metabolism. Glucose to the rescue!

                Ragweed been kicking out ass lol idk why I didn’t think to try this again

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                  S.Holmes @Jaffe
                  last edited by Sep 15, 2024, 1:03 PM

                  @Jaffe said in Glucose loading cures everything?:

                  Ragweed been kicking out ass lol idk why I didn’t think to try this again

                  It seems particularly bad this year.

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                    S.Holmes @LetTheRedeemed
                    last edited by Sep 15, 2024, 1:05 PM

                    @LetTheRedeemed said in Glucose loading cures everything?:

                    @S-Holmes ❤️🙏

                    FYI, I played with caffeine pills for a while and can confirm the experiences of others, that coffee has a more pronounced caffeine effect than pure caffeine alone.

                    I agree. I tried caffeine pills instead of coffee for a few days. They didn't have the same effect.

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                      LetTheRedeemed @S.Holmes
                      last edited by Sep 15, 2024, 3:02 PM

                      @S-Holmes I wish they worked lol

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                        PranaDeva @S.Holmes
                        last edited by Sep 15, 2024, 7:50 PM

                        @S-Holmes Those Smarties contain citric acid, which is made from GMO black mold (Aspergillus niger). I have to think that there is still some mold left in that citric acid.

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                          S.Holmes @PranaDeva
                          last edited by Sep 15, 2024, 8:02 PM

                          @PranaDeva said in Glucose loading cures everything?:

                          @S-Holmes Those Smarties contain citric acid, which is made from GMO black mold (Aspergillus niger). I have to think that there is still some mold left in that citric acid.

                          Do you know if all citric acid is made from black mold?

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                            PranaDeva @S.Holmes
                            last edited by Sep 15, 2024, 8:05 PM

                            @S-Holmes it may be possible to make citric acid from other molds, funguses, or bacteria, but I've only heard of using black mold.

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                              CrumblingCookie @PranaDeva
                              last edited by CrumblingCookie Sep 16, 2024, 9:11 AM Sep 16, 2024, 9:10 AM

                              Mercola seems to start dipping his toes into glucose, as per his latest article:

                              "So how can you begin implementing this approach? If you have severely compromised gut health, start with pure sugar water. This is a temporary measure to jumpstart the healing process. Mix one-half pound, up to a full pound, of pure dextrose (glucose) into a half gallon of water and sip it slowly all day. Don't drink more than an ounce at a time to avoid spiking your insulin.
                              Once your gut health has improved, you can switch your primary carb source to whole foods. More than likely, you'll also need to eat more frequently than you're used to during this transition to avoid hypoglycemia. Eating every three to four hours, with snacks throughout the day, is crucial when relying on simple carbs for energy.
                              As your mitochondrial energy production continues to improve and your gut starts to heal, you will begin the transition back to complex carbs. This is a slow and steady process — don't rush it."
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                                S.Holmes @CrumblingCookie
                                last edited by Sep 16, 2024, 1:16 PM

                                @CrumblingCookie said in Glucose loading cures everything?:

                                Mercola seems to start dipping his toes into glucose, as per his latest article:

                                "So how can you begin implementing this approach? If you have severely compromised gut health, start with pure sugar water. This is a temporary measure to jumpstart the healing process. Mix one-half pound, up to a full pound, of pure dextrose (glucose) into a half gallon of water and sip it slowly all day. Don't drink more than an ounce at a time to avoid spiking your insulin.
                                Once your gut health has improved, you can switch your primary carb source to whole foods. More than likely, you'll also need to eat more frequently than you're used to during this transition to avoid hypoglycemia. Eating every three to four hours, with snacks throughout the day, is crucial when relying on simple carbs for energy.
                                As your mitochondrial energy production continues to improve and your gut starts to heal, you will begin the transition back to complex carbs. This is a slow and steady process — don't rush it."

                                Wow! Maybe this is a good option for some who struggle with the large boluses.

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                                  marmalade_cat @CrumblingCookie
                                  last edited by Sep 16, 2024, 2:20 PM

                                  @CrumblingCookie
                                  Thanks for sharing this extract from Dr Mercola.
                                  I happened to see from his Youtube channel that he has pivoted to Ray Peat, from his previous keto stance.
                                  I wonder whether he knows about Dr Stephens, and whether Dr Stephens is aware of this approach from Mercola.

                                  While I don't exactly follow Mercola's advice of drinking throughout the day, as I mentioned in previous posts, I switched to increased frequency of 5 times a day (from 3 times a day), to address the hypoglycemia symptoms with high doses of dextrose.

                                  I am currently at 75g x 5 times a day.

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                                    marmalade_cat @S.Holmes
                                    last edited by marmalade_cat Sep 16, 2024, 2:49 PM Sep 16, 2024, 2:29 PM

                                    @S-Holmes
                                    thanks for the update @S-Holmes .

                                    Like you, I found that thyroid meds (NDT), did not have a significant improvement on my temp (or pulse).

                                    At 75g x 5 times a day, I am consistently achieving daytime (approx 10/11am to sunset) temp of 36.9-37.0C (98.4F - 98.6F). This while reducing NDT (over last 5 months I have reduced from 4 grain to 1/2grain).

                                    FYI, I use a digital thermometer, but place it in my armpit for minimum 10 minutes, before switching on. This is the reading I use.

                                    My waking and night time temp are not consistent and below target. I vary between 36.1 - 36.5C (96.98F-97.7F). Most often round 36.3/36.4C. I am aiming for minimum 36.6C (98.88F). I'm not yet sure of the reasons for the variance.

                                    @S-Holmes are you able to share what your waking temps are like? And have you seen improvement in pulse with glucose protocol?

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                                      S.Holmes @marmalade_cat
                                      last edited by Sep 16, 2024, 4:15 PM

                                      @marmalade_cat I've never taken night time temps but will try to do that and report back.

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                                        S.Holmes @S.Holmes
                                        last edited by Sep 16, 2024, 6:03 PM

                                        @S-Holmes said in Glucose loading cures everything?:

                                        @CrumblingCookie said in Glucose loading cures everything?:

                                        Mercola seems to start dipping his toes into glucose, as per his latest article:

                                        "So how can you begin implementing this approach? If you have severely compromised gut health, start with pure sugar water. This is a temporary measure to jumpstart the healing process. Mix one-half pound, up to a full pound, of pure dextrose (glucose) into a half gallon of water and sip it slowly all day. Don't drink more than an ounce at a time to avoid spiking your insulin.
                                        Once your gut health has improved, you can switch your primary carb source to whole foods. More than likely, you'll also need to eat more frequently than you're used to during this transition to avoid hypoglycemia. Eating every three to four hours, with snacks throughout the day, is crucial when relying on simple carbs for energy.
                                        As your mitochondrial energy production continues to improve and your gut starts to heal, you will begin the transition back to complex carbs. This is a slow and steady process — don't rush it."

                                        Wow! Maybe this is a good option for some who struggle with the large boluses.

                                        OMG. A half lb of glucose is about 25 Tbsps. I've been on 6 Tbsps 3 times a day (18 total Tbsps.)! Mercola's protocol calls for a half lb to a lb daily! I may give this a try. My RN daughter is seriously concerned about the large boluses causing blood sugar issues. Will report back!

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                                          CrumblingCookie @S.Holmes
                                          last edited by CrumblingCookie Sep 16, 2024, 9:42 PM Sep 16, 2024, 9:36 PM

                                          @S-Holmes:

                                          Yes, Mercola's daily dosing recommendation is absolutely a lot (c. 250-500grs/day).
                                          However, I reckon it ought to be the most detrimental to teeth to drink that an ounce at a time (= 1/2-1 tbsp or c. 4-8 grs), or even 'sipping' it continuosly throughout the day!
                                          Mercola's still worried about any insuline spikes, though, and for these reasons recommends such i.v.-style dosing. I don't think he has met with DS yet. Or maybe he has but treads carefully wrt what he presents since BG/insuline spikes are the first and decisive thought most people get scared of.

                                          I still find 2-hourly dosing much more reliably comfortable than longer periods. Although it's greatly convenient to have had enough dextrose to last 4-5hrs, such long times between servings do not always work or suffice IME.

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