Glucose loading cures everything?
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@CrumblingCookie said in Glucose loading cures everything?:
If we're after the question of where and how the given dextrose really disappears into across the different tissues I can see the necessity to align measurements of BG with measurements in CSF over time. My impression also is that he says those remarks about spinal taps in a slightly humorous way and he wouldn't really want to perform them.
Sorry I don't have a built-in filter like you do-
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I don't have your solomonic wisdom.
Temporal thinking is the faculty that’s
engaged by an enriched environment, but it’s
wrong to call it “thinking,” because it’s simply
the way organisms exist... - Ray Peat Nov 2017 Newsletter -
I cant say much about the mechanisms but ive been trying it for 3 weeks. Effects came in immediatly.
started at 20g 3x a day but im now at 50g 4x a day.
Dextrose feels absolutely different to other carb sources (maybe due to the microbiome).
Not realy fond of dr stephens explanation tho. Totally understand anyone who doubts the whole thing.
The effects and changes i experience are amazing however. With only little sideeffects.
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@Ben said in Glucose loading cures everything?:
Dextrose feels absolutely different to other carb sources (maybe due to the microbiome).
Not realy fond of dr stephens explanation tho. Totally understand anyone who doubts the whole thing.
Hello Ben. If you're comfortable doing so, could you share difficulty with sugar/fruit relative to this?
I'm gathering, and reading, and thinking. Sure I'm not the only one. So your answer's for the room.
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Not realy having difficulty per se with other carb sources. But they do almost nothing for energy or brainfog or wellbeing. They just satiate and taste ok or make me sleepy. Some even cause minorish issues like pizza/certain breads/orange juicr
causing inflammation in my gums on some days, rice seems to make my digestion back up a little(constipation?) and soft drinks, fruit juices and honey make my teeth sometimes feel unpleasant.Dont have any of that with dextrose. The high dose at once might make one feel a little off for 2-5 mins but then its good mood and brainfunction for me.
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@Ben said in Glucose loading cures everything?:
Not realy fond of dr stephens explanation tho. Totally understand anyone who doubts the whole thing.
The effects and changes i experience are amazing however. With only little sideeffects.
I will report back in 6 months wether im diabetic and fat or if i abolished my health issues.Yes. Also, diabetics will admonish us of the impending doom and immediate and forceful creation of long-term diabetic damages on kidney, heart, eyes and everything due to apparently not really measurable spikes in BG and insuline and the signalling for such drastic insuline spikes and due to the apparently covert extreme stress signalling for regulation of BG when the dextrose serving wears off.
I wonder whether there's no cause to worry about the latter as long as dextrose dosing is so that liver glycogen stores always remain full? Or as long as dextrose dosing is sufficiently continuous, either by osmotic stomach concentrations (with little water or with foods) or by 2-hourly servings? Would these measures reliably prevent the otherwise typical and dreaded stress responses which we otherwise might not even consciously take notice of (as diabetics would warn)?
Maybe Dr. Stephens' therapeutic approach as far as we know it is not the cleverest or gentlest way to go about it yet. However, there's undeniably something fundamentally effective about regularly lots of dextrose.
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@Ben I think we could use more science in the explanation, but he admits that this isn't something that has been researched much. I began homeopathy 35 years ago with no "research" to be found. It saved my life. This can't hurt, and I'm retracing something every day. These past few days it's been covid tongue. Red meat...
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@Ben Great report!
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I've gotta say, we love the glucose therapy so far. We had a long day yesterday and got home late. I don't believe we could have kept up the pace without it. Even my husband, who isn't always enthusiastic about yet ANOTHER experiment was asking for more. Both of us were transformed within seconds each time after taking it and we were able to keep up with our little grands (2 and 6) until very late.
The next test was whether I would have insomnia after a very busy day and long drive home. I usually have to start winding down around 8:30. Unloading the car and putting away groceries (which I was doing at 11 PM) will usually keep me awake for hours. But a small dose of glucose water and a snack and I was out fast.
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@S-Holmes how much dextrose are you taking?
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Thank you @Ben
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@Razvan I try to be consistent with 12 grams every 2 hours. We were taking 25 grams 4 times a day but it seemed to make us lethargic so may have been triggering a healing "crisis."
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Speaking of herxing, we have both had SYMMETRIC itchy rashes, lasting about an hour each, my husband's on both forearms and mine on both pinky fingers. In classical homeopathy, itchy rashes represent the pinnacle of healing.
You never want to suppress an itchy rash. Case in point. My mother had an itchy rash on her legs. The doctor gave her steroid cream for it. Long story short, she ended up in the ER with pneumonia. The skin and lungs are functionally connected. When eruptions are suppressed the lungs are adversely effected.
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I recall reading somewhere where Ray says BG going high isn't that harmful as the body has ways to deal with it. But he didn't elaborate. But later on I would learn that the body converts glucose to fructose under high BG conditions, and also dumps glucose into urine as kinda like a safety valve.
OTOH, being low on blood sugar leads one to be unable to sleep, leads to high stress hormone levels, fainting, lowered immunity, and to becoming sensitive to respiratory allergies and to being vulnerable to infections leading to fever and flu.
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@S-Holmes said in Glucose loading cures everything?:
I've gotta say, we love the glucose therapy so far. We had a long day yesterday and got home late. I don't believe we could have kept up the pace without it. Even my husband, who isn't always enthusiastic about yet ANOTHER experiment was asking for more. Both of us were transformed within seconds each time after taking it and we were able to keep up with our little grands (2 and 6) until very late.
The next test was whether I would have insomnia after a very busy day and long drive home. I usually have to start winding down around 8:30. Unloading the car and putting away groceries (which I was doing at 11 PM) will usually keep me awake for hours. But a small dose of glucose water and a snack and I was out fast.
Do you always use it in water? I've tried milk and like it more since it's not so sweet. But not sure if that is a good thing or not.
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@ThinPicking said in Glucose loading cures everything?:
Thank you @Ben
I have that same experience. 25 grams makes me feel exhausted. I'm doing smaller increments now too. Still afraid to gain weight but we'll see.
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@happyhanneke I use it in water, coffee, lemonade in place of sucrose. I sometimes use both sucrose AND dextrose if I need more sweetener but don't want to overdo the dextrose.
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Dr. Stephens in an email exchange with me: "You will be so excited with the outcome of this."
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Same. This dextrose protocol is like nothing I’ve tried before. So much different than high sucrose and general high carb eating.
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@yerrag said in Glucose loading cures everything?:
OTOH, being low on blood sugar leads one to be unable to sleep, leads to high stress hormone levels, fainting, lowered immunity, and to becoming sensitive to respiratory allergies and to being vulnerable to infections leading to fever and flu.
By this I must have been having functionally low glucose throughout the miserable half of my life.
Generally irrespective of whether my fasting BG was a mere 60 or a borderline-high 99 mg/mL. -
The funny and cruel thing is that we are always concerned with high blood sugar, and we never hear a pipsqueak about low blood sugar.
Just as we hear of high cholesterol and worry about it, and never hear talk of the danger of low cholesterol.
Same of high blood pressure and low blood pressure.
As well as high temperature and low temperature.
How we are programmed to be blind to what really presents to be more of a danger, and spend our time worrying about what's less worrisome.
I'm glad we don't perceive friend to be enemies, and enemies to be our friends.
