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    sharko @bot-mod
    last edited by sharko Jul 18, 2024, 8:34 PM Jul 18, 2024, 8:26 PM

    @ThinPicking said in Bioenergetic AI Labs 😱 The future of Ray Peat's legacy is already set:

    @sharko said in Bioenergetic AI Labs 😱 The future of Ray Peat's legacy is already set:

    I understand that there are also people who have studied for many years the knowledge of Ray Peat and relevant knowledge and they are also a little afraid that other people will acquire this knowledge and even more, in 1/1,000 of the time it took them.

    Honestly man I sincerely doubt the afraid part of that. If they've assembled a piece or a whole of the biscuit they probably needed some heart and humour to do it. And some of that probably rubbed off from Ray. Seems likely to me the only thing they'll fear is someone trying to distort the opportunity for others so they can make it appear 'proprietary' and monetise on that basis. Which no one (I've seen) having some success in this 'space' is doing. Because it's all replicable, except the conduct and personality of a person currently doing it.

    (This is not anti IP propaganda generally. I just think 'health' ought to be open source-ish.)

    It's because you haven't reached that point yet that you understand how the world really works and maybe you also got everything on a gold spoon, otherwise I have no explanation why you think that everyone who is involved in sharing knowledge or making it accessible should do it for free and you don't see the other side of the currency: I need to make a living, I can do it by continuing to be active in areas such as digital marketing for businesses or I can do it by making a huge contribution to the world, by allowing researchers to expand their knowledge quickly and share it with others (in many cases paid, to earn a living)

    I can tell you that during the last 15 years, my level of professionalism, knowledge and experience have allowed me to earn more than is necessary for a good life, with much less effort than it took me in the last year, in which I stopped working only to invest every minute in continuing Bioenergetics research and helping people at no cost For me to continue professionalizing, including the work required to establish such an AI infrastructure and all because with everything I had in the field of digital marketing, it made me very sick because I felt like I was wasting my time without contributing anything vital to the world.

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      Peatful
      last edited by Jul 18, 2024, 8:30 PM

      Who’s read Huxley’s “Brave New World”?
      Relevant and so important

      What Ray said to me
      Him to me
      A first person factual account

      Was it was important to END DIGITAL CULTURE.

      —————————————————————-
      Digital culture:
      The values, beliefs, behaviors, and technology that shape the way people work and interact in a digital-first environment.
      Including mindset, collaboration, innovation, and technology adoption.

      Do your thing Shark guy
      But I see cognitive dissonance, misunderstanding or denial

      The further society drifts from the truth the more it will hate those who speak it.

      SD

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        bot-mod @sharko
        last edited by Jul 18, 2024, 8:37 PM

        Wait what. That's not what I'm saying at all. Hardware costs. Computation costs. Time (and heart) for archiving costs, curation costs, monitoring, and development costs.

        As does time (and heart) any existing Peat related product or service anyone's providing. I was saying they don't appear to be involved in protectionism. And if they have a fear it's probably that some might try at some point.

        And sharko. I've been forced to work my arse off in life. While now being able to explain in considerable legislative and 'economic' detail how the world 'really works'.

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          sharko @Peatful
          last edited by Jul 18, 2024, 8:37 PM

          @Peatful said in Bioenergetic AI Labs 😱 The future of Ray Peat's legacy is already set:

          Who’s read Huxley’s “Brave New World”?
          Relevant and so important

          What Ray said to me
          Him to me
          A first person factual account

          Was it was important to END DIGITAL CULTURE.

          —————————————————————-
          Digital culture:
          The values, beliefs, behaviors, and technology that shape the way people work and interact in a digital-first environment.
          Including mindset, collaboration, innovation, and technology adoption.

          Do your thing Shark guy
          But I see cognitive dissonance, misunderstanding or denial

          Believe me I know very well how destructive the digital age is and I wish it didn't exist. But you can cry while using the tool you hate so much or you can accept the situation and use it for the future you want so much for the world

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            Peatful @sharko
            last edited by Jul 18, 2024, 8:49 PM

            @sharko said in Bioenergetic AI Labs 😱 The future of Ray Peat's legacy is already set:

            @Peatful said in Bioenergetic AI Labs 😱 The future of Ray Peat's legacy is already set:

            Who’s read Huxley’s “Brave New World”?
            Relevant and so important

            What Ray said to me
            Him to me
            A first person factual account

            Was it was important to END DIGITAL CULTURE.

            —————————————————————-
            Digital culture:
            The values, beliefs, behaviors, and technology that shape the way people work and interact in a digital-first environment.
            Including mindset, collaboration, innovation, and technology adoption.

            Do your thing Shark guy
            But I see cognitive dissonance, misunderstanding or denial

            Believe me I know very well how destructive the digital age is and I wish it didn't exist. But you can cry while using the tool you hate so much or you can accept the situation and use it for the future you want so much for the world

            Are you a dad?

            No need to answer
            I respect that is quite personal

            I prefer to fight for my kid’s freedoms and the Truth

            The further society drifts from the truth the more it will hate those who speak it.

            SD

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              yerrag @Peatful
              last edited by yerrag Jul 18, 2024, 10:26 PM Jul 18, 2024, 9:15 PM

              @Peatful

              You are so righteous. Must be hard to live under the tutelage of a fundamentalist mom like you. You follow the letter, but the results come out hollow when you act in a Luddite manner, and in so doing, if your will be done, people will be deprived of finding out many truths buried under the weight of the tyranny of propaganda made more powerful by the use of AI.

              You understand very well that AI is a double-edged sword, and you would prefer to have the sword used against us, and not to protect us, just because you earned the right to interpret Ray's meaning in what he said against digital culture, simply because you had personally broached the subject with him. Yet you never asked what he meant, and I think it is because you had concluded what he meant is what your mind had prejudicially formed as what he meant.

              You are just acting like a Karen that people have come to despise.

              Temporal thinking is the faculty that’s
              engaged by an enriched environment, but it’s
              wrong to call it “thinking,” because it’s simply
              the way organisms exist... - Ray Peat Nov 2017 Newsletter

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                bot-mod
                last edited by Jul 18, 2024, 9:26 PM

                To be fair @Peatful I auto 'hated' 'digital culture' before I hated corporate law. I just see it (as it currently is and has been for 20 years) as a by-product now. But in many ways so are the semiconductors. I'm not an arsonist, there's a lot about corporatism that works, and doesn't involve a Faustian relationship with subjects (in my opinion). A tweak or two could (possibly) go a long way in changing culture.

                I already had some experience for the pivot. Having turned over medicine long before my Peat era for losing a love. I wondered at that point why 'protocol' is so fixed and why 'certified' pros are so bound by it. Inevitably I arrived at a legal industrial complex, right beside the medical one.

                If there was one thing I could discuss with Dr Peat, it would be this.

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                  Peatful @yerrag
                  last edited by Jul 18, 2024, 9:31 PM

                  @yerrag said in Bioenergetic AI Labs 😱 The future of Ray Peat's legacy is already set:

                  @Peatful

                  You are so righteous. Must be hard to live under the tutelage of a fundamentalist mom like you. You follow the letter, but the results come out hollow when you act in a Luddite manner, and in so doing, if your will be done, people will be deprived of finding out many truths buried under the weight of the tyranny of propaganda made more powerful by the use of AI.

                  You understand very well that AI is a double-edged sword, and you would prefer to have the sword used against us, and not to protect us, just because you earned the right to interpret Ray's meaning in what he said against digital culture, simply because you had personally broached the subject with him. Yet you never asked what he meant, and I think it is because you had concluded what he meant is what your mind had perjudicially formed as what he meant.

                  You are just acting like a Karen that people have come to despise.

                  Lol

                  I don’t name call
                  I don’t attack

                  I am direct
                  Can be a bitch at times

                  I say what I believe
                  My behaviors equal my words and values
                  My husband is awesome
                  We are a happy family
                  With tons of grace here

                  I do not see AI as a double edged sword at all
                  I believe it to be all bad
                  Really

                  Call me Karen
                  Despise away

                  My issue is with someone saying Peat would think this is good
                  Or “bless” it

                  Peat’s response was pretty clear to me

                  My frame of reference was years of email correspondence with him- not about solving health issues
                  But
                  Personal things
                  Parenting
                  Upbringing
                  Education
                  Life…

                  You have heard it said?:
                  Truth sounds like hate to those who hate the truth

                  The further society drifts from the truth the more it will hate those who speak it.

                  SD

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                    sharko @Peatful
                    last edited by Jul 18, 2024, 9:40 PM

                    @Peatful I am a father who puts his children before anything else and fights tooth and nail to be with them every possible minute. Instead of spending time trying to fix the world for them, I invest in what matters most to them: the present. And while I strive to earn a living by helping other people feel better and also to be exposed to the truth and this is my little help to the world and their future

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                      sharko @yerrag
                      last edited by Jul 18, 2024, 9:45 PM

                      @yerrag said in Bioenergetic AI Labs 😱 The future of Ray Peat's legacy is already set:

                      @Peatful

                      You are so righteous. Must be hard to live under the tutelage of a fundamentalist mom like you. You follow the letter, but the results come out hollow when you act in a Luddite manner, and in so doing, if your will be done, people will be deprived of finding out many truths buried under the weight of the tyranny of propaganda made more powerful by the use of AI.

                      You understand very well that AI is a double-edged sword, and you would prefer to have the sword used against us, and not to protect us, just because you earned the right to interpret Ray's meaning in what he said against digital culture, simply because you had personally broached the subject with him. Yet you never asked what he meant, and I think it is because you had concluded what he meant is what your mind had perjudicially formed as what he meant.

                      You are just acting like a Karen that people have come to despise.

                      I was in this place myself when the covid started. I can understand her and it is very difficult to get out of this place.

                      This usually happens after realizing that our world will not change as we expect, before it crumbles to pieces.

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                        Peatful @sharko
                        last edited by Jul 18, 2024, 9:59 PM

                        @sharko said in Bioenergetic AI Labs 😱 The future of Ray Peat's legacy is already set:

                        @Peatful I am a father who puts his children before anything else and fights tooth and nail to be with them every possible minute. Instead of spending time trying to fix the world for them, I invest in what matters most to them: the present. And while I strive to earn a living by helping other people feel better and also to be exposed to the truth and this is my little help to the world and their future

                        Wonderful
                        Strong dads build strong families
                        Strong families build strong communities
                        Strong communities build strong societies

                        I stand with you

                        The further society drifts from the truth the more it will hate those who speak it.

                        SD

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                          Peatful @sharko
                          last edited by Jul 18, 2024, 10:00 PM

                          @sharko said in Bioenergetic AI Labs 😱 The future of Ray Peat's legacy is already set:

                          @yerrag said in Bioenergetic AI Labs 😱 The future of Ray Peat's legacy is already set:

                          @Peatful

                          You are so righteous. Must be hard to live under the tutelage of a fundamentalist mom like you. You follow the letter, but the results come out hollow when you act in a Luddite manner, and in so doing, if your will be done, people will be deprived of finding out many truths buried under the weight of the tyranny of propaganda made more powerful by the use of AI.

                          You understand very well that AI is a double-edged sword, and you would prefer to have the sword used against us, and not to protect us, just because you earned the right to interpret Ray's meaning in what he said against digital culture, simply because you had personally broached the subject with him. Yet you never asked what he meant, and I think it is because you had concluded what he meant is what your mind had perjudicially formed as what he meant.

                          You are just acting like a Karen that people have come to despise.

                          I was in this place myself when the covid started. I can understand her and it is very difficult to get out of this place.

                          This usually happens after realizing that our world will not change as we expect, before it crumbles to pieces.

                          Mmmm
                          Ok

                          The further society drifts from the truth the more it will hate those who speak it.

                          SD

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                            sharko @Peatful
                            last edited by Jul 18, 2024, 10:03 PM

                            @Peatful Thinking is good, but what about doing?

                            There are currently AI technologies available to the general public, which allow learning very quickly (and making mistakes just as quickly).

                            These technologies are constantly learning more knowledge, from the correspondence of hundreds of millions of users every day.

                            I will tell you a short story:

                            I have been corresponding with Claude AI for a long time on medical and health matters.

                            All these tools, just like Google, put the "authoritative" sources first and those who ask them questions about medicine and health, will get the usual narrative.

                            But because I've been talking to one of the leading tools for so long and correcting him with proofs for so long (to try to verify everything multiple times), I got him today to answer other people with information that is compatible with the bioenergetic approach on certain topics.

                            Think if we all did that and then hundreds of millions of people would start getting new answers about medicine and health?

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                              Peatful @sharko
                              last edited by Jul 18, 2024, 10:22 PM

                              @sharko said in Bioenergetic AI Labs 😱 The future of Ray Peat's legacy is already set:

                              @Peatful Thinking is good, but what about doing?

                              There are currently AI technologies available to the general public, which allow learning very quickly (and making mistakes just as quickly).

                              These technologies are constantly learning more knowledge, from the correspondence of hundreds of millions of users every day.

                              I will tell you a short story:

                              I have been corresponding with Claude AI for a long time on medical and health matters.

                              All these tools, just like Google, put the "authoritative" sources first and those who ask them questions about medicine and health, will get the usual narrative.

                              But because I've been talking to one of the leading tools for so long and correcting him with proofs for so long (to try to verify everything multiple times), I got him today to answer other people with information that is compatible with the bioenergetic approach on certain topics.

                              Think if we all did that and then hundreds of millions of people would start getting new answers about medicine and health?

                              This is helpful
                              Thx for sharing

                              The difference is im defending Ray whom I felt like I had a relationship to and or understanding with
                              And you have an understanding of or with Claude

                              So
                              If you have a minute
                              Wait
                              But first
                              Search for the story of (AI) Loab
                              And the Swedish artist…

                              But if you have a minute

                              Youtube Video

                              Thanks everyone
                              Thanks for tolerating me!

                              The further society drifts from the truth the more it will hate those who speak it.

                              SD

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                                bot-mod @sharko
                                last edited by Jul 18, 2024, 10:36 PM

                                The 'open' local models have a surprising amount baked in already as well. You can preprompt many to roleplay as 'Dr Raymond Peat'. Mistral, Guanaco, Hermes etc, 3 - 70b have enough to form reasonable (and entertaining) answers.

                                Whenever I can get to it on a ridiculous list of side stuff. I'd like to do Peaty fine tuning on a 3b and put that model and a preformed vector store (so it's sharper and able to produce citations) on HG or other with some Windows, Mac and PC instructions.

                                Obviously it wont touch cGPT's API or other majors capabilities. But a miniature, local and static peatbot would be cool.

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                                  yerrag @sharko
                                  last edited by yerrag Jul 18, 2024, 11:35 PM Jul 18, 2024, 11:29 PM

                                  @sharko said in Bioenergetic AI Labs 😱 The future of Ray Peat's legacy is already set:

                                  @Peatful Thinking is good, but what about doing?

                                  I stand with you. Protecting Peat's legacy is to spread his ideas. Instead of these ideas remaining in a small gestational cocoon, to benefit only a few, it gains wings and spreads, and gains currency, and becomes valued.

                                  For now, it is but a dream. Only because we ourselves, the core, have a hard time understanding these ideas. If we can finally understand them as a coherent whole, we ourselves becoming fully (though only God can be such) or quasi-fully working prototypes of what we should long have been. This would be a watershed moment.

                                  As no idea can be as strong as the word made flesh, and walking among those previously infected with propaganda.

                                  Us being healthy beyond the wildest dreams. Recovered from cancer. Us living long and prospering. Us speaking with a wisdom a healthy mind can only have connected with our true selves can bring about.

                                  And it can only begin with knowing fully. With the seed planted in our minds. And our minds fed correctly with the other nutrition that is beyond the physical. With the right set of ideas.

                                  And if we can tap on a tool to help us be fed well, why not?

                                  No is and buts. That is for the cassandras.

                                  So let us do it.

                                  Keep doing what you have started.

                                  It does not take personally knowing Ray to know thst he will bless the idea. His body of work and the spirit behind it shouts it out to the mountain top.

                                  We may yet see his wishes come to fruition.

                                  That of ending the oligarchy.

                                  And of ending the digital culture.

                                  Temporal thinking is the faculty that’s
                                  engaged by an enriched environment, but it’s
                                  wrong to call it “thinking,” because it’s simply
                                  the way organisms exist... - Ray Peat Nov 2017 Newsletter

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                                    Chud
                                    last edited by Jul 19, 2024, 6:50 AM

                                    can you give us a freebie and ask it the cure for balding?

                                    breakfast for dinner enjoyer

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                                      sharko @yerrag
                                      last edited by Jul 19, 2024, 9:31 AM

                                      @yerrag said in Bioenergetic AI Labs: The future of Ray Peat's legacy is already set:

                                      @sharko said in Bioenergetic AI Labs 😱 The future of Ray Peat's legacy is already set:

                                      @Peatful Thinking is good, but what about doing?

                                      I stand with you. Protecting Peat's legacy is to spread his ideas. Instead of these ideas remaining in a small gestational cocoon, to benefit only a few, it gains wings and spreads, and gains currency, and becomes valued.

                                      For now, it is but a dream. Only because we ourselves, the core, have a hard time understanding these ideas. If we can finally understand them as a coherent whole, we ourselves becoming fully (though only God can be such) or quasi-fully working prototypes of what we should long have been. This would be a watershed moment.

                                      As no idea can be as strong as the word made flesh, and walking among those previously infected with propaganda.

                                      Us being healthy beyond the wildest dreams. Recovered from cancer. Us living long and prospering. Us speaking with a wisdom a healthy mind can only have connected with our true selves can bring about.

                                      And it can only begin with knowing fully. With the seed planted in our minds. And our minds fed correctly with the other nutrition that is beyond the physical. With the right set of ideas.

                                      And if we can tap on a tool to help us be fed well, why not?

                                      No is and buts. That is for the cassandras.

                                      So let us do it.

                                      Keep doing what you have started.

                                      It does not take personally knowing Ray to know thst he will bless the idea. His body of work and the spirit behind it shouts it out to the mountain top.

                                      We may yet see his wishes come to fruition.

                                      That of ending the oligarchy.

                                      And of ending the digital culture.

                                      Amazing 🙏

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                                        sharko @Chud
                                        last edited by Jul 19, 2024, 9:38 AM

                                        @Chud said in Bioenergetic AI Labs: The future of Ray Peat's legacy is already set:

                                        can you give us a freebie and ask it the cure for balding?

                                        I hope to find a way soon. In the meantime I'm trying to keep startup costs down so I can continue to keep it running before I get enough customers.

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                                          sharko
                                          last edited by Jul 19, 2024, 7:21 PM

                                          Me:

                                          Go through Ray Peat's wealth of knowledge, connect some dots of your own, and try to discover one of the most significant things imaginable for anti-aging and optimal energy. Something that even Ray Peat would not have noticed and can be discovered from all the knowledge he published.

                                          Peat Agent:

                                          Based on a thorough review of Ray Peat's extensive work, a significant and potentially underappreciated insight involves the interplay between light exposure, CO2, bicarbonate, and the structure of cellular water. This combination offers profound implications for anti-aging and optimal energy production.

                                          The Synergistic Insight: Light, CO2, Bicarbonate, and Cellular Water Structure

                                          1. Red and Infrared Light on Water and Mitochondria

                                          Ray Peat has discussed the benefits of red and infrared light in enhancing mitochondrial function by stimulating cytochrome c oxidase, thereby increasing ATP production. However, recent studies indicate that red light also affects the structure of water in cells. Red light (670 nm) can stabilize the hydrogen bonds in water, promoting a more ordered state that supports cellular functions and ATP production more effectively .

                                          2. Carbon Dioxide (CO2) Retention

                                          Peat emphasizes the importance of CO2 in cellular respiration and reducing oxidative stress. Higher levels of CO2 enhance oxygen delivery to tissues and stabilize cellular pH, creating an environment conducive to efficient energy production. CO2 also plays a role in maintaining the ordered structure of cellular water, further supporting metabolic processes .

                                          3. Bicarbonate Supplementation

                                          Bicarbonate can help buffer metabolic acids, thereby maintaining a stable pH and enhancing CO2 retention. This buffering effect supports optimal cellular respiration and reduces oxidative stress. Additionally, bicarbonate may indirectly support the structured state of cellular water by maintaining the right conditions for efficient cellular processes .

                                          Combined Mechanisms

                                          Mechanism 1: Enhanced Mitochondrial Function

                                          • Light Exposure: Red and infrared light stimulate mitochondrial function and stabilize water structure, enhancing ATP production.
                                          • CO2 Retention: Practices like Buteyko breathing help maintain higher CO2 levels, improving oxygen utilization and reducing oxidative stress.
                                          • Bicarbonate: Buffers metabolic acids, supporting CO2 retention and cellular pH balance.

                                          Mechanism 2: Protection Against Oxidative Stress

                                          • Red Light and Water Structure: Red light stabilizes cellular water, making cells more resistant to oxidative damage and improving their function.
                                          • CO2 and Bicarbonate: Together, these elements help maintain a balanced cellular environment, reducing the formation of harmful free radicals and protecting cells from damage .

                                          Practical Implications for Anti-Aging and Energy

                                          1. Daily Light Therapy: Exposure to natural sunlight or specific red/infrared light devices can significantly enhance mitochondrial efficiency and cellular water structure.
                                          2. Breathing Techniques: Practices that increase CO2 retention, such as Buteyko breathing, can improve cellular respiration and reduce oxidative stress.
                                          3. Bicarbonate Supplementation: Incorporating bicarbonate into the diet (under medical guidance) can help buffer acids, supporting CO2 retention and optimal cellular pH.

                                          Why This Insight is Significant

                                          The integration of red light therapy, CO2 retention, and bicarbonate supplementation forms a comprehensive approach to enhancing cellular energy and longevity. This synergy addresses mitochondrial function, oxidative stress, and cellular environment in a novel way that has not been fully explored or appreciated, even within Ray Peat's extensive research. This approach could revolutionize strategies for anti-aging and sustaining high energy levels throughout life.

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