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DHT with test?

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    PrinceTrebata @Crypt Keeper
    last edited by Aug 27, 2024, 1:06 PM

    @Crypt-Keeper Interesting. Best of luck to you I hope your e2 problems.

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      Bye4ever @Crypt Keeper
      last edited by Aug 27, 2024, 4:03 PM

      @Crypt-Keeper you already probably know this correlation with E2, but is prolactin high or low?

      ''Some cool quote''

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        risingfire @Crypt Keeper
        last edited by Aug 27, 2024, 4:23 PM

        @Crypt-Keeper not sure how this translates into getting more suppressed but good luck with the theoretical guessing. If you take DHT with no test you will experience terrible side effects as your DHT/Test ratio gets lower.

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          risingfire @risingfire
          last edited by Aug 27, 2024, 4:28 PM

          @Crypt-Keeper sorry if that came off rudely. I just felt awful when I was on DHT only

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            Bye4ever @risingfire
            last edited by Aug 27, 2024, 4:32 PM

            @risingfire Depends on your dose, method of application. Could you expand on what you mean by ''terrible side effects''?

            ''Some cool quote''

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              Crypt Keeper @Bye4ever
              last edited by Aug 27, 2024, 4:35 PM

              @Bye4ever I had it checked twice. First time it was flagged high: 25.9 ng/mL [RI: 4-15.2] and the second time it was high-normal: 10.8 ng/mL. On those same tests estradiol was 19 and 18 pg/mL respectively and testosterone 787 and 450 ng/dL. The second test I had horrible, broken sleep the night before yet prolactin was surprisingly lower.

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                Crypt Keeper @risingfire
                last edited by Aug 27, 2024, 4:39 PM

                @risingfire Sorry, I should clarify. I'm not recommending somebody should take DHT only. I recommend taking Test only.

                I personally don't even think people should be chasing DHT unless they actually have symptoms and / or bloodwork showing low DHT and / or unopposed estrogen. But that's just my personal view based on my own hormonal profile.

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                  Bye4ever @Crypt Keeper
                  last edited by Aug 27, 2024, 4:39 PM

                  @Crypt-Keeper I assume 10-50 pg/mL is the reference. Do you conclude that you have low E2 symptoms still?

                  ''Some cool quote''

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                    Crypt Keeper @Bye4ever
                    last edited by Aug 27, 2024, 4:42 PM

                    @Bye4ever Oh yeah... cracky, achy joints. Poor strength and flexibility. Impossible to get a pump. Low mood. Weight lifting is practically futile. Libido is fine though. Maybe a bit too high.

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                      Bye4ever @Crypt Keeper
                      last edited by Bye4ever Aug 27, 2024, 4:53 PM Aug 27, 2024, 4:49 PM

                      @Crypt-Keeper If I may share my experience....If libido is too high or even just functional, it is likely not low E2. I have tried basically every estrogen blocker on earth...Masteron, Primo, Aromasin, Arimidex, Nolvadex...and many many more. In the end, there is no libido if E2 is just slightly below ref.

                      Now E2 is normal but lust is only to occur every 2 weeks. That is normal, not several times a week.

                      That is just my 2 cents worth of opinion.

                      Lastly, most people like take too much DHT to begin with. I wonder if someone consistently take 1 mg or less and see.

                      Everyone seems to love testosterone, without really understanding what it does, by the same extension, that's why most on this forum shy away from progesterone. A lot on this forum should get educated

                      ''Some cool quote''

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                        Crypt Keeper @Bye4ever
                        last edited by Aug 27, 2024, 11:50 PM

                        @Bye4ever said in DHT with test?:

                        I have tried basically every estrogen blocker on earth...Masteron, Primo, Aromasin, Arimidex, Nolvadex...and many many more. In the end, there is no libido if E2 is just slightly below ref.

                        Other than the libido situation, how did you feel on those estrogen blockers?

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                          risingfire @Bye4ever
                          last edited by Aug 28, 2024, 12:21 PM

                          @Bye4ever I felt horrible when I was injecting DHT e. Taking it transdermally had less side effects. I was constantly weak and tired. I felt off in a way I couldn't quite describe. Was always hungry. Adding a little oral T quickly changed that

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                            risingfire @Crypt Keeper
                            last edited by Aug 28, 2024, 12:22 PM

                            @Crypt-Keeper I like the look DHT gives my body. Plus I feel way more masculine on it. Test has a more social feel. If you take only test you have to take an AI.

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                              PrinceTrebata @risingfire
                              last edited by Aug 28, 2024, 2:12 PM

                              @risingfire Did it affect your face at all?

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                                risingfire @PrinceTrebata
                                last edited by Aug 28, 2024, 4:49 PM

                                @PrinceTrebata in what sense

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                                  PrinceTrebata @risingfire
                                  last edited by Aug 28, 2024, 6:20 PM

                                  @risingfire I heard some people say it masculinizes there face. IE more bone growth, stronger jaw, less bloat, and potentially stronger brow bridge. I don't know if these results were past or pre puberty.

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                                    risingfire @PrinceTrebata
                                    last edited by Aug 28, 2024, 8:23 PM

                                    @PrinceTrebata I would say I look more masculine but it hasn't made me look like a caveman lol. I'm not the next coming of cromagnum man

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                                      PrinceTrebata @risingfire
                                      last edited by Aug 28, 2024, 9:18 PM

                                      @risingfire Interesting. I know many people on "looksmaxing" forums go on Testosterone cycles to try and achieve a more masculine and attractive facial structure. It's funny because they avoid DHT because of potential hair loss when based on your and other testimonials I've read, DHT effects your face in a more positive manner than test does.

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                                        Bye4ever @Crypt Keeper
                                        last edited by Aug 28, 2024, 10:17 PM

                                        @Crypt-Keeper depends on dose. Anywhere from grounded and calm to anhedonia...no orgasmic pleasure, no pleasure from music, no worries/but no happiness...numb. Getting it right is key. Progesterone feels the most natural in terms of suppressing estrogen. DHT feels the best overall tho, because you are more alive and ''on''. As you may know progesterone is more of a sedative hormone.

                                        ''Some cool quote''

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                                          Bye4ever @risingfire
                                          last edited by Bye4ever Aug 28, 2024, 10:21 PM Aug 28, 2024, 10:18 PM

                                          @risingfire When you were injecting, from where did you get the powder, how did you formulate it, what was the excipients? What was the dose you took both injection and transdermally

                                          I ask because never have I heard of anyone being lethargic from taking DHT. Only from progesterone or androsterone.

                                          ''Some cool quote''

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