How to stabilize blood sugar during COVID illness?
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@RPadmirateur flowers of sulfur isnt what i would think of for reestablishing biome. i know the peatarian perspective on the biome and tbh doing the normie stuff like eating a variety of vegetables and different types of fermented food works for me. the gut biome disruption by wuflu can be intense
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@sneedful said in How to stabilize blood sugar during COVID illness?:
*flu decimates bifido bacteria to ridiculous low levels. consistently across dozens and dozens of biome tests ive seen posted. natto and kefir might be your best friend after, as well as the normie adjacent gut protocols full of bifidogenic foods. not peaty stuff tho (raw onions, garlic, all sorts of veg and herbs etc)
Sneedy's angle rings with me. Soothe the shit out of that thang (
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keep in mind that covid can lead easily to opportunistic bacterial pneumonia. This is one time I would get a chest x-ray is definitive for a diagnosis. There is NO other way to diagnose pneumonia. The chest x-ray is the gold standard.
I got pneumonia from a very severe bird flu and levofloxacin cured it.
My wife got pneumonia from covid and had a similar experience. We'd both be dead without that antibiotic as nothing else worked. I had tried doxy, amoxy, and azithro.
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i took amoxicillin while experiencing wuflu for the sore throat (i coughed up a ridiculous amount of phleghm after) and then switched to minocycline after the acute stage was over.. i was also on a high dose of cyproheptadine like 16-24mg a day. i had also taken a ton of methylene blue, (i dont know about mixing MB with minocycline, i think it causes that skin staining way faster [MB being a cycling redox substance and minocycline when oxidized causing the blue tint to tissues] that some people get with long term minocycline use, or maybe wuflu just causes melanin spots / moles [i read alot of reports about that].) luckily i didnt get pneumonia but the gut issues persisted for what felt like ages after and i got all sorts of other weird post wuflu symptoms. took like two years to clear up.
i think really being focused on the gut after the acute illness is over is the best way to dodge around lingering issues. many people i’ve seen got better as they got their lactobacilli and bifido back to normal levels. peatarians avoid probiotics and i think that’s a mistake. me getting significantly better quickly coincided with introducing alot more cooked and raw plant foods to my diet as well as doubling protein intake.
it was crazy tbh and i think i perservered without going to the clinic / hospital / losing my sanity because i experienced chronic fatigue before wuflu days and went through that whole mental trip before and recovered from it mostly. im actually better than i was pre-wuflu now. i , like peat, questioned if wuflu is even novel or new. it is. ive never experienced that kind of dysfunctional smell issue (one night i woke up and all i could smell was feces). and many times when i go to parties , public gatherings now, soon after ill have that tell tale sneezing and a few days of gut inflammation, and occasionally this really weird smell in the hallway/bathroom that is reminiscent of some sort of memory i have when i was like 8 years old idk.
oh yeah, i got over the final hump of post wuflu sequelae with 4mg nicotine gum 3x a day. i had really annoying muscle weakness and weird feeling tissues around my abdomen and pelvic area and it basically cleared up within a week of the nic gum. i had tried smoking tobacco but i dont think i was smoking enough to get that amount of nicotine. i also used other things on and off like emodin.
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@sneedful what a story.
I’ve had Covid twice. First time I got monoclonal antibodies that prevented a fever and I recovered from a severe Delta infection in a couple weeks (remember Delta?).
Then I got it about 2 years ago, and took Paxlovid. I think it was very helpful. People who have not had full blown really bad Covid don’t realize it can be very, very bad. The Paxlovid was amazing. I did rebound but it wasn’t too bad a rebound.
But the sickest I ever got was in 2020 March, when I had 105F fever for about a day and that’s when I got pneumonia. I had what I think was a very bad bird flu. I had to sit up for days, doing bag breathing, trying to survive. I was going to die at home if that’s what happened, but no hospital for me as Covid was starting and that seemed a grim way to go even then (I mean, in the hospital.)
So I didn’t tell my family how sick I was. My son took care of me and I stayed in my room alone to prevent transmission to my family.
I’m working on never getting sick again. I think Dr. Peat was sick from Covid for months and then died apparently from an aneurism which probably came from the Covid. That’s my speculation.
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@Ecstatic_Hamster i agree with you on the last part. i also think it is man-made . i havent personally done the research but a researcher i know of insists it is. im dissapointed the normies dont care about getting to the bottom of it. and then the people who i share alot in common with on other topics will say only people who took the jabs got very ill or lasting issues. when i know many people who never took any who dealt/are dealing with lingering issues. in fact i got the sickest out of anyone i personally know and im the sole unvaccinated one.
i actually feel like i was gonna be fine, just a sore throat, then a family member behaved in a really unfair and unjust way to me and i lost my temper and got really mad and yelled at them and instantly i realized how sick i was gonna get. i immediately felt it just as i finished yelling. i think aside from
the obvious stress causing the issue it was some sort of sensing mechanism where their cells attacked mine via an energetic communication field and i failed to defend aka i engaged them in argument / let them trigger me.you might have also had an early strain of covid that time you got really ill. my dog got insanely ill then too after a visit to the vet’s office. i think i read it was circulating as early as fall 2019
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@sneedful yeah, one of the dumb shit things people say here and there is, “it’s like the flu.” It can be like the flu, but it can be very very bad. I agree it’s man made probably based upon DNA analyses I read about. Seems like gain of function bla bla bla, but I never cared because either way you get sick, whatever the origin.
I never got the jab, neither did any of my immediate family either. Both my wife and I have gotten very sick with it. I never once considered the jab but to be fair, I know jabbed relatives who did not get sick at all. But, I have to note, many have had serious health issues since then which I connect with the jab. Blood clots, heart attacks, stroke, cancer.
Edited to add: I got sicklest from what I think was NOT Covid but was the flu.
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@Ecstatic_Hamster said in How to stabilize blood sugar during COVID illness?:
either way you get sick
I didn't. And I don't know anyone who did. I know people who had some mild reactions to to a med I didn't take and one victim of altered ARDS protocol, admitted for observance because they had a pre-existing comorbidity.
If biotech was actually capable of GoFR, surely we'd already be scanning a QR code to take a piss without a mass media campaign to try and instigate such a thing.
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@ThinPicking you didn't get sick in the last 4 or 5 years and you don't know anyone who did? That's amazing. Congratulations, that's quite an accomplishment.
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Where am I allowed to draw the line Hammy. I got a cold in January and worked through it. Before that my longest run without probably ever, and covering the whole ovid-policy period. Personal resolve not to get sick when I was told to fear it might have had something to do with it. But more likely the peaty advisories I was 2 years in to playing with when that whole thing began.
Others some sniffles here and there. Certainly nothing like your description. But these things do happen. A long long time ago I had a flu that felt like death. Borderline sepsis. I wasn't particularly health conscious then.
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@RPadmirateur said in How to stabilize blood sugar during COVID illness?:
@yerrag My respiratory symptoms are completely resolved, except that I still have a raspy voice. It is now a matter of trying drinks and foods that I can digest without having constipation or diarrhea, and managing my blood sugar, which swings high and then low, the highs and lows each causing a rise in systolic b.p., (sometimes in the 190s, but I can be 125 between the highs and lows. ) I have tried well cooked, grated mushroom and coconut oil to slow absorption down to stabilize blood sugar, but my digestive system is not ready for those just yet. Also working on adding some Cynoplus, very slowly, because I think my T3 protocol too easily gets disrupted when under extreme stress, such as having COVID. Anything that can stabilize the system is good.
I use an O²ring from Wellvue. Cost me $100 on sale and I use it to monitor my spO² during sleep and throughout the day when need be. It records reading every 4 seconds and when synced with my phone, I can view a chart. It also reads my heart rate. Way less popular than the Oura Ring but much more usedul and less costly, as the Oura has no spO² data, which I find more useful when if comes with heart rate data as well.
When I am not sure how well my lungs are doing, it can't lie to me. I can breathe seemingly well, but when I see dips going to the 80s and 70s, even momentary ones, I am on alert for the effects of poor oxygen intake from lungs have deeper implications. As tissue oxygenation is vital.
In the worst case, which happened to me, it could mean my res blood cells would die en masse, and it is a heavy load for my system to detox and get rid of. The heme in red blood cell, could easily cause carbon monoxide and free iron to be produced thru the action of heme oxygenase enzymes. This is very stressful especially when it causes a vicious cycle that affects our metabolism. How it does so is real, but too complicated to explain, as I currently am dealing with it. But it would stay a mystery only if I don't have gadgets with me, and if I weren't long into Peat's research.
But all I can say is that you mitochondrial metabolism is very much affected by the surrounding conditions, and when it becomes sub-optimal, your blood sugar regulation will also be affected.
Sorry this comes across as very general and vague, but specifics are hard to come by, as your unique context does not allow for cookie cutter approaches.
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@Jennifer Did you take PenVK in your recovery, and if so, what was your protocol? Dose, frequency and for how long? Also, did you start with a half grain of Armour? How long before you felt improvement? I was able to get some Armour thyroid. Just super insomniac and high adrenaline by now. Did you try CynoPlus before that? If so, what was the comparison? I am also wondering about body size with regard to dosing PCN (and Armour). I am only 5 foot 1 in and rapidly gaining belly fat, now up to 116lbs. (started out about 112 lbs, with more muscle mass, which I am also rapidly losing)
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@RPadmirateur, I was prescribed many antibiotics during my recovery, but not PenVK, no. The last one I was prescribed was a month long course of rifaximin (550 mg 3x a day) for hydrogen SIBO. The only synthetic thyroid I’ve taken is TyroMix and I didn’t fare well on it long-term so I’ve stuck with NDT ever since. I started on a 1/4 grain and didn’t feel improvements until I was up to 1 1/2, but they were felt almost immediately. For dosing, the best measure is temp and pulse rate, IME.
In regards to dosing antibiotics, you and I are a similar size (I’m 5’2” and just under 100 lb) and my doctors have always prescribed me the same, standard course of treatment that even people twice my size are prescribed so I don’t think body size matters much among adults. If I’m not mistaken, Ray recommended a starting dose of 200 mg and lowering it as soon as symptoms subside.
Regarding the insomnia and adrenaline, have you experimented with different protein sources? Back when I had a bad case of insomnia and was suffering daily adrenaline attacks, I did an elimination diet and discovered that dairy was the only protein that didn’t cause insomnia or trigger attacks. It’s also a very anabolic food, for me. I went from 80 lb to 95 lb in just a couple of months consuming 4 liters of raw milk and yogurt daily, and it was mostly muscle and bone, proven by DEXA.
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@Jennifer So I assume that you were on 1/4 grain of Armour thyroid for 2 weeks, and every 2 weeks you dosed up by 1/4 grain or 1/2 grain? And each time you noticed that your temperature and pulse were too low, even with the adrenaline flowing? How did you discern a better pulse and temperature from the effects of the adrenaline and cortisol? Was that just by how you felt? Can you elaborate more on the insomnia that you had? Did you also have central, (brain) sleep apnea? Frequent waking? Did you wake up each time with an adrenaline rush? Was the raw milk and yogurt whole or what percentage fat did you consume in the milk and yogurt? Did you consume anything besides the milk and yogurt? During the adrenaline days/ nights, did you have problems with blood sugar dysregulation, REACTIVE hypoglycemia? (I know you said you had hypoglycemia, but was it of the reactive type, in response to consuming carbs?) In other words, were you able to tolerate much carbohydrate, or did the carbohydrate cause any problems? When you were drinking 4 liters of milk a day plus yogurt, did you add any juice or sugar or take in any other carbohydrates? And if your hypoglycemia was reactive hypoglycemia, did that simply resolve with taking more Armour? Did you have to go low carb until you were up to an adequate dose of thyroid? If so, what dose was the turning point? Any details you can provide on your diet over the course of your healing would be most welcome. Also, have you added any T3 in addition to what is already in Armour thyroid? Sorry if this seems scattered. I am just not sleeping hardly any at all.
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@RPadmirateur, no worries about scattered posts. I understand. I started on 1/4 grain and increased my dose by 1/4 every two weeks, yes. To discern better temps and pulse rate from adrenaline and cortisol, I measure my temp and pulse rate 20–30 minutes after eating and take note of my extremities (feet, hands, nose and ears). If I’m running on stress hormones, my temp and pulse rate are lower after eating, and one or more of my extremities are cold within an hour as my blood sugar crashes and adrenaline cuts circulation to them to keep vital organs warm.
Regarding the insomnia, I had frequent waking, as frequent as every few minutes during an adrenaline attack. As I fell asleep, I experienced a falling feeling that would jolt me awake, followed by a racing heart, heat surging through my core to my head, shortness of breath, convulsions and syncope. And because the adrenals have to compensate for the thyroid when its function is poor, and systolic reflects adrenal function (and diastolic kidney function), my systolic would spike as high as 170 with the surge of adrenaline. This went on night and day for 6 months straight until I went against doctor’s orders and took an over-the-counter thyroid glandular. Within an hour the attacks ceased completely.
The raw milk and yogurt were both whole and semi-skimmed, and I consumed other foods, as well. My hypoglycemia was both reactive and non-reactive. If I had meat or starch, I had a hypoglycemic episode, and if I went too long without simple sugars, my blood sugar would crash (as low as 50). The first time in my life that I slept through the night without needing to pee was when I followed a fruitarian diet and my mum, who went years on no more than 2 hours of sleep a night, slept through the night when she greatly increased her sugar intake so maybe trial less protein and more carbs for a few nights to see if your sleep improves? And yes, my hypoglycemia resolved with more thyroid.
My diet during recovery varied between plant-based, animal-based, and both plant and animal based, but the foods were fairly consistent—simple carbs (fruit, jam, honey, maple syrup, raw sugar), dairy (raw A2/A2 milk, goat cheese, ice cream and shakes), eggs (omelettes and quiche) and seafood (scallops, crab and tuna), with gelatinous broth, hot dogs and beef teriyaki making a brief appearance. I kept a log on the old Ray Peat Forum where I posted pics of some of my weekly grocery hauls and have also posted some here. To give you an idea of what my diet consisted of:
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@Jennifer Wow, Jennifer, thank you so much for all of your detailed information! I am wondering how you managed your reactive hypoglycemia while consuming simple sugars. My systolic BP goes up with sharp swings in blood sugar, either in the upward or the downward direction. How were you able to transition into a fruitarian diet while having reactive hypoglycemia? Did you go very long without eating? And was there a concern for stomach emptying time, using whole milk, eggs, seafood and cheese? Can you give me an example of a day's worth of eating, with timing of the foods when you still were experiencing reactive hypoglycemia? And do or did you also consume food/ drink at night? If so, what did you have and when? Did and do you take your Armour Thyroid on an empty stomach or with food? How much do you take at any given time and how many times within a 24 hour period? Do you take Armour only, or do you add some extra T3? I left my phone number in a private message on this forum. Would you be willing to call me?
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You’re welcome, @RPadmirateur.
Thank you for letting me know you sent a PM as I wasn’t notified. My apologies if I gave you the impression that I’m a health professional, but I have no medical training so I don’t do consultations.Complex carbs triggered my hypoglycemia, but not simple sugars—the latter prevented it—and there was no transition to fruitarianism—I developed a severe case of gastritis when I had SIBO, which left me unable to digest anything but fruit. I didn’t go long without eating as that would crash my blood sugar, and there wasn’t a concern for stomach emptying time using dairy, eggs and seafood, no. I take 1 1/2 grains of Armour, no extra T3, with meals, this way I can safely go above the physiological dose of 4 mcg of T3 per hour. Since my diet varied when I still had hypoglycemia, I’ll give you an example day of eating that worked best for me and continues to:
When I first wake up (5:00 am): Tea (decaf or herbal) sweetened with honey or Dolcedi apple sweetener
Breakfast (7:00 am): Compôte with a chunk of raw cheese or flourless banana crêpes stuffed with strained yogurt and an all fruit jam (St. Dalfour), and a glass of juice
Snack (9:00 am): Hot, spiced cider
Lunch (11:30 am): A slice of crustless quiche (3rd pic from the bottom) or seared scallops with honey butter, a glass of raw milk and banana nice cream (last pic)
Snack (2:00 pm): Hot, spiced cider
Dinner (5:00 pm): Strained yogurt with jam or zucchini soup topped with eggs and strained yogurt (2nd pic from the bottom), a glass of raw milk, and a glass of juice
Snack (7:00 pm): Sweetened tea
Basically, I have fruit and animal protein at every meal and juice or tea between meals, and make sure to get sufficient calories throughout the day or else my sleep suffers.
