For those who tolerate starch, here are some meals I make my dad:

• A gelatinous cut of meat and oven roasted baby potatoes (roasted in refined coconut oil or tallow with herbs, spices and salt)
• Cheesy quiche and mashed roasted squash (I use delicata and kabocha)
• Seared scallops with honey butter and scalloped potatoes or baked potato skins topped with all natural bacon and cheese
• Grilled cheese (I use muenster and cream cheese) with caramelized onion jam on all natural bread (I use brioche) and tomato soup
• Party meatballs (all natural meatballs, grape jelly, ketchup and worcestershire sauce) on a bed of buttered jasmine rice
• New England style calm chowder with bacon
• Beef chili (I substitute the beans with hominy)

For those who don’t tolerate much starch, here are some of my meals:

• Strained yogurt with apple & cinnamon fruit spread (St. Dalfour brand), honeydew melon, and decaf coffee with apple sweetener (Dolcedi brand) and coconut cream
• An omelette, spiced peach compôte with coconut cream, and coconut milk (coconut, a date, a pinch of salt and coconut water blended and strained in a nut milk bag)
• Seared scallops, freshly pressed watermelon juice with mint, and “nice” cream (extra ripe, frozen bananas whipped up in a Vitamix with coconut water)
• Air fried, teriyaki sprouted tofu, creamy zucchini soup, and homemade soda (Gerolsteiner sparkling water, fruit juice and apple sweetener)

My pleasure, @jamezb46.

I see, @GRay. You’ve increased carbs and decreased fat and protein, but have you experimented with different carb and protein sources? I ask because I, and other people I have worked with to optimize their health, have discovered that some sleep well with simple sugars and dairy as their main carb and protein sources, while others sleep better with starch and meat, especially the glycine-rich, as their main sources.

Without knowing the test subjects’ thyroid functions in the study you linked or how accurate blood values as a measurement are compared to isotopes in the study Ray referenced, and not having the study, since he mentions it in email exchanges with other forum members, I can’t answer you with confidence, but the results aren’t that far off from each other, anyway. Just for reference, here are the email exchanges:

“[TAKING THYROID WILL HAVE LONG-TERM EFFECTS] Experimenters using isotopes gave large doses of thyroid until the subjects' glands were completely shut off, and when they stopped giving the doses, everyone's gland returned to normal activity in just 2 or 3 days. The gland is extremely quick to adjust its activity, both up and down, except when it's inhibited by stress, or PUFA, or estrogen, etc.

[HOW TO STOP THYROID] If a person's thyroid gland has been inhibited by very high doses of a supplement, it takes only 2 or 3 days for the gland to resume full activity, and because it takes time for the hormone to be excreted, suddenly stopping a supplement shouldn't be noticeable, when the gland isn't being inhibited or malfunctioning.”

— https://expulsia.com/health/emailexchanges#Long_Term_Effects

1. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Yvdx1lIAv8
2. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O6Q40nZRRco
3. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LzGBQerkvWs
4. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zVPmwSTMhjo
5. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oqpBP3Tjwi4
6. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vSxkLHWPAjk
7. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_OO2PuGz-H8

You’re welcome, @GRay. Have you noticed any sleep improvements with dietary changes?

All I have are tests taken while fasted and non-fasted—two times I had eaten (and taken thyroid) within a half hour of the blood draw—and my TSH values were almost identical, however, I have found TSH to be an unreliable diagnostic, since several things can affect it, including adrenaline (it lowers TSH), which compensates when thyroid function is poor. When my thyroid crashed and I had adrenaline off the charts—I was in such a catabolic state that my body wasted away to 67 lb/30 kg at 5’4” and my spine collapsed—my TSH was 0.83. The best diagnostics for me have been temp, pulse rate, muscle relaxation rate (Achilles tendon reflex), rate of evaporation (determined by measuring the total fluids consumed and peed out in a 24 hr period) and mood.

@jamezb46 said in did taking Armour the Peat way at night worked for you?:

@Jennifer

Does your thyroid atrophy with those dosages?

It doesn’t atrophy, no. Ray said that “the working thyroid gland produces about the equivalent of 4 grains of desiccated thyroid per day so taking that amount makes up for what your gland would be producing,” and studies using isotopes where large doses of thyroid were given to subjects until their glands were completely shut off showed that their glands returned to normal activity in 2 to 3 days of ceasing supplementation. Ray went on to say that “the gland is extremely quick to adjust its activity, both up and down, except when it's inhibited by stress, or PUFA, or estrogen, etc.” At two grains a day, I can miss doses and even stop taking it abruptly and experience no negative effects, except during times of extreme stress. When my mum (and best friend) passed away tragically and I took on all her responsibilities caring for my dad, even 4 grains of thyroid was ineffective.

@GRay said in did taking Armour the Peat way at night worked for you?:

It seems that Peat also recommended to take NDT just like a synthetic product like Cynoplus.

I believe his general recommendation was to take half grain with lunch dinner and breakfast.

how did that dose at dinner work for you? did it cause you some trouble falling a sleep or insomnia?

I do not think Armour should be taken like cynoplus, perhaps twice a day is enoguh, and on an empty stomach. The T3 in it won't peak that fast like the T3 in Cynoplus

I’ve tried several dosing schedules with and without food and Ray’s recommendation works the best for me. I take half a grain of Armour at breakfast, lunch, dinner and with some hot cider or herbal tea before bed and I fall asleep fast (within a minute) and sleep soundly through the night. With that said, if I’ve had starch and/or too much protein, I wake between 2 and 4 am regardless so diet is the most important factor for me.

Hi @Aniciete, it’s good that you were able to determine that you’re sensitive to what is often promoted as the superior salt. At one point, I questioned if the sea salt I was using was the main culprit of my digestive issues at the time, but it turned out to be the one food I was salting that to this day, no matter how much thyroid I take and how good my metabolism is, causes a host of debilitating symptoms.

@Luke, how is your thyroid function?

This is probably an overly simplistic explanation, but my mechanistic guess is that progesterone is anabolic, supporting the thyroid/parathyroid glands, the main glands responsible for the integrity of all connective tissues in the body, and lowering the catabolic hormones cortisol, adrenaline etc. The plumber’s thyroid may have been healthy enough for Progest-E to reverse the damage. For someone like myself who was chronically hypothyroid, Progest-E provided only temporary relief.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FJTSmLqg6iE

@Luke said in Favorite Peat Miracle story & Is potato protein really that good?:

@Jennifer said in Favorite Peat Miracle story & Is potato protein really that good?:

@Luke said in Favorite Peat Miracle story & Is potato protein really that good?:

I like the one where his plumber was going to retire because he had cartilage damage in his knee or something like that. Ray gave him a bottle of Progest-E to rub it in. A few days later the plumber visited Ray and ran up and down his stairs to show him that he had no pain anymore. He was still working as a plumber ten years later or so.

Progest-E is amazing for pain. While doing yard work, my dad tripped and fell on his side running from some bees and within 2 hours of me applying Progest-E to his ribs, his extreme pain was gone, and it only took one application daily to keep the pain away. Eight months later when he was diagnosed with cancer and had a CT scan to check if it had metastasized, the scan revealed that his ribs had fractured from the fall so it’s quite something for Progest-E to take away the pain of broken ribs. Progest-E is the only supplement that eliminates my migraines and the chronic pain I had from my spine collapsing in 2009. Unfortunately, it messes with my cycle so I rely on a certain diet to stay pain and migraine free, but I always have a bottle in the fridge for emergencies.

I would like to try it on my shoulder and upper back, but couldn't get my hands on a bottle yet. I guess the Progesterone creams on the internet aren't even close to having the same absorption and effect.

I hope your dad is doing all right.

Thank you, Luke. My dad is doing great. It’s too bad that you haven’t been able to try Progest-E. Diet modifications don’t eliminate your shoulder and upper back symptoms, huh?