Why it's hard to overcome a bad childhood. Dr. Lipton explains that 95% of our operational programming is completed by age 7
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@Kvirion said in Why it's hard to overcome a bad childhood. Dr. Lipton explains that 95% of our operational programming is completed by age 7:
And yes, the initial conditions (first 3-7 years) are still pretty hard to overcome, because through these first years, our environment creates a basic kind of framework/scaffold (energy patterns and structure in us) that is hard to rebuild/mold later...
Dr Gabor Mate also talks/writes a lot about that.
I look forward to learning more on the topic. Dr Lipton mentioned a sort of self brain washing by repeating things like "I am happy" to address the problem.
Deep down I think everyone wants to believe they can become the person that had a good childhood if the do xyz, correct the hormones or by reversing methylation and so on but that is probably is not realistic. That "scaffold" your childhood built is not going anywhere.
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@Insomniac said in Why it's hard to overcome a bad childhood. Dr. Lipton explains that 95% of our operational programming is completed by age 7:
operations are programmed
What's Love (and fluid dynamics) got to do with it.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7955328/
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/35914548/
https://srcd.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1467-8624.1998.tb06233.x
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/9680676/ -
@Insomniac said in Why it's hard to overcome a bad childhood. Dr. Lipton explains that 95% of our operational programming is completed by age 7:
I look forward to learning more on the topic.
I like long-format podcasts like these https://www.youtube.com/@DrChatterjeeRangan/search?query=gabor mate
Or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hhhTWYDPAXIDr Lipton mentioned a sort of self brain washing by repeating things like "I am happy" to address the problem.
I guess it's like a first step in perspective-shifting - to get out of the negativity loop. He is similar to Ray in emphasizing problems with stress/trauma and cortisol production.
He seem to be more focused on emotional side of things and Ray was more about bioenergetics.Deep down I think everyone wants to believe they can become the person that had a good childhood if the do xyz, correct the hormones or by reversing methylation and so on but that is probably is not realistic. That "scaffold" your childhood built is not going anywhere.
Yes, and for example for me admitting the existence of such a scaffold and working to mitigate/embrace it is working better than just denying its existence...
But also using Ray wisdom about bioenergetic - i.e. how to lower bad and increase good things turned out to be very useful. -
BTW Interesting longer podcasts with Dr Lipton
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@Kvirion said in Why it's hard to overcome a bad childhood. Dr. Lipton explains that 95% of our operational programming is completed by age 7:
BTW Interesting longer podcasts with Dr Lipton
Thanks. I'm checking them out now.
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@ThinPicking said in Why it's hard to overcome a bad childhood. Dr. Lipton explains that 95% of our operational programming is completed by age 7:
@Insomniac said in Why it's hard to overcome a bad childhood. Dr. Lipton explains that 95% of our operational programming is completed by age 7:
operations are programmed
What's Love (and fluid dynamics) got to do with it.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7955328/
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/35914548/
https://srcd.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1467-8624.1998.tb06233.x
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/9680676/This topic is over my head. Interesting subject though. Thanks
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@Insomniac said in Why it's hard to overcome a bad childhood. Dr. Lipton explains that 95% of our operational programming is completed by age 7:
This topic is over my head.
Mine too. Welcome to earth.
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@Insomniac said in Why it's hard to overcome a bad childhood. Dr. Lipton explains that 95% of our operational programming is completed by age 7:
Children never fully recover from abuse. Molested girls never seem to have completely normal relationships as adults.
I’m proof the above isn’t true. I was molested as a little girl, suffered neglect, but I don’t entertain dysfunctional relationships. I used to think that my inability to get close to a man was because of the past sexual abuse, but after working tirelessly to overcome trauma, find my voice and treat myself better than the past ever did, I realized I attracted men dominant in distorted, masculine energy and it’s distorted, masculine energy that I can’t get close to. I’m attracted to, and trust, energy in its divine state. My instincts were on point.
In my recovery, I’m a soldier at war, I have broken down walls
I defined, I designed, my recovery
In the sound of the sea, in the oceans of me
I defined, I designed, my recovery ~ James Arthur -
Your statement brims with hope. That people with the strong will to overcome what life would unfairly present to them to their disadvantage, would hang on to loose baggage and allow it to define them. I share that attitude.
However, having lived and seen what most people would do on their own cognizance, I believe they can find the burden they had hard to overcome over their lifetime.
I personally saw and lived through what my dad became from the trauma of his early years, and there was nothing I could do to change that, despite the prayers of our family- my mom and siblings and my dad's closest friends. All we could do was to have compassion for him. It took me the longest to understand him, as much as I believe his heart was good and I gave him an A for effort.
You did well, but I think that you are an exception, and that you do not prove the rule.
Temporal thinking is the faculty that’s
engaged by an enriched environment, but it’s
wrong to call it “thinking,” because it’s simply
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@Jennifer thanks for posting that cause i know that user’s statement is incorrect and im too lazy to make my own reply to explain why
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Sexual Abuse and the Development of Anorexia
Key points
- Between 30 and 65 percent of individuals with anorexia have a history of childhood sexual abuse.
- Body hatred, shame, and a tendency toward self-destructive behaviors are key in the correlation between anorexia and sexual abuse.
- Due to the large overlap between sexual abuse and anorexia, eating disorder providers must be familiar with how trauma can present itself.
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https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4677006/
Childhood Trauma Questionnaire, a self-report measure of traumatic experiences in childhood. 75.6% of the chronically depressed patients reported clinically significant histories of childhood trauma.
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@yerrag, I understand. I personally saw and lived through my mum’s trauma from her early years, even watched her die in my arms because of it, but I stand by my comment. I am proof that “children never fully recover from abuse” isn’t true. Some children, many even, but not all as Insomniac’s statement implies. Just like it was our parent’s choice to overcome their past, it was our choice to overcome ours and our parent’s and the collective’s/society’s by extension. We can lead a horse to water with the intention of having it drink, but what if it doesn’t believe it can drink because all the other horses don’t believe they can drink so they don’t? Thank God for all the exceptions breaking the rule.
In my recovery, I’m a soldier at war, I have broken down walls
I defined, I designed, my recovery
In the sound of the sea, in the oceans of me
I defined, I designed, my recovery ~ James Arthur -
@sneedful, you’re welcome.
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I have had traumas all my life on all levels.
After several years of studying bioenergetics and intensive experimentation, while working on the brain, I have come to the point where I am immune to disturbing thoughts and other people's opinions and thoughts like steel.
There is a bubble of inner resilience around me, instead of a bubble made up of my environment, where any part that moves in it will make a hole in the bubble.
Everything is possible and in retrospect, it's not difficult at all when someone with sufficient experience and knowledge explains exactly what to do and why - and that's what I'm doing today for others.
A significant part of the process is to understand how the human brain works, both in terms of beliefs and thoughts and also in terms of neurotransmitters and hormones, because once you understand this, you can understand the motive of each person's actions.
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@sharko said in Why it's hard to overcome a bad childhood. Dr. Lipton explains that 95% of our operational programming is completed by age 7:
I have had traumas all my life on all levels.
After several years of studying bioenergetics and intensive experimentation, while working on the brain, I have come to the point where I am immune to disturbing thoughts and other people's opinions and thoughts like steel.
There is a bubble of inner resilience around me, instead of a bubble made up of my environment, where any part that moves in it will make a hole in the bubble.
Everything is possible and in retrospect, it's not difficult at all when someone with sufficient experience and knowledge explains exactly what to do and why - and that's what I'm doing today for others.
A significant part of the process is to understand how the human brain works, both in terms of beliefs and thoughts and also in terms of neurotransmitters and hormones, because once you understand this, you can understand the motive of each person's actions.
It's terrific that you've managed so much progress and I am certain there are people here like myself who would be interested in what was most useful to get to where you are.
In my case I had attempted to block out my past and focus on things like chemicals, hormones, environmental toxins, food, light and exercise but ironically ignoring my past was not helpful to moving forward because it should be involved in your search for solutions.
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I had the best childhood my poor parents could ever give me, not a single traumatic memory, I was a happy kid, but a bit unstimulated. My puberty years were so bad I was mentally and physically stunted, now I'm nothing like my old self.
Based on this experience, I'd say you can recover from a bad childhood just as you can completely destroy the benefits of a very good childhood, but who knows, it's easier to destroy something than to fix it, especially when it comes to biology.
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I believe it must be a strong combination of "hormone games" (and neurotransmitters) to understand at a high level their effect on our feelings and thoughts, while constantly examining our thinking and feelings, until we reach a point where we simply understand well enough how the human brain works and then every action that another person has performed or is performing, you can understand where it comes from and not link it to you.
If anything, feel sorry for that person and even try to help him. And of course it is required at the same time to achieve an optimal metabolic rate. Without an optimal metabolic rate and low serotonin, emotion will easily take over us
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@sharko Nicely put. Zen, if I were to encapsulate it in one word.
