Why it's hard to overcome a bad childhood. Dr. Lipton explains that 95% of our operational programming is completed by age 7

Insomniac

@yerrag It's also interesting to consider the quality of your fathers first 7 years and even his even his parent's childhood and how childhood trauma can destroy generations. But trauma isn't really required. Just bad habits are enough.

yerrag

@Insomniac

But aren't bad habits a form of trauma albeit a passive one?

Insomniac

@yerrag The bad habits lead to self destructive behavior later in life. Most people are looking to correct health problems caused by lifestyle learned from childhood.

Children never fully recover from abuse. Molested girls never seem to have completely normal relationships as adults.

I only started to look into the subject yesterday. I'm far from an expert and it's a little traumatic to think about because we'd all rather think the obstacles are more pliable.

yerrag

@Insomniac I meant that bad habits arise from neglect in guiding the child. That's why I call it passive.

It's interesting Lipton included the Jesuits in the formation of the child till 7. But it's worthy to note that early cultures, or religions, including Christianity, are well aware of this phase of a person's development.

No coincidence why First Communion is at age 7, Confirmation at around age 14. Why voting and drinking allowed only when reaching 21 (generally). And there are more phases past 21 though this is something I became aware of exploring esoteric Christianity.

Insomniac

@yerrag said in Why it's hard to overcome a bad childhood. Dr. Lipton explains that 95% of our operational programming is completed by age 7:

Confirmation at around age 14.

Years ago I read a psychology book that stated brain plasticity dramatically drops off after 14. That next 7 years probably accounts for the 5% or programming remaining.

Kvirion

@Insomniac said in Why it's hard to overcome a bad childhood. Dr. Lipton explains that 95% of our operational programming is completed by age 7:

Dr. Lipton explains that 95% of our operations are programmed from our environment by age 7 and that this is why people have trouble escaping their past.

Yeah, suppose someone wants to make a real change. In that case, they need to change the environment and narratives around them, heal traumas, and work hard on bioenergetics—mostly lowering cortisol/serotonin and increasing good stuff like thyroid, dopamine, etc. Such a venture may take a long, long time and a lot of effort/energy.

And yes, the initial conditions (first 3-7 years) are still pretty hard to overcome, because through these first years, our environment creates a basic kind of framework/scaffold (energy patterns and structure in us) that is hard to rebuild/mold later...

Dr Gabor Mate also talks/writes a lot about that.

Insomniac

@Kvirion said in Why it's hard to overcome a bad childhood. Dr. Lipton explains that 95% of our operational programming is completed by age 7:

And yes, the initial conditions (first 3-7 years) are still pretty hard to overcome, because through these first years, our environment creates a basic kind of framework/scaffold (energy patterns and structure in us) that is hard to rebuild/mold later...

Dr Gabor Mate also talks/writes a lot about that.

I look forward to learning more on the topic. Dr Lipton mentioned a sort of self brain washing by repeating things like "I am happy" to address the problem.

Deep down I think everyone wants to believe they can become the person that had a good childhood if the do xyz, correct the hormones or by reversing methylation and so on but that is probably is not realistic. That "scaffold" your childhood built is not going anywhere.

ThinPicking

@Insomniac said in Why it's hard to overcome a bad childhood. Dr. Lipton explains that 95% of our operational programming is completed by age 7:

operations are programmed

What's Love (and fluid dynamics) got to do with it.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7955328/
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/35914548/
https://srcd.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1467-8624.1998.tb06233.x
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/9680676/

Kvirion

@Insomniac said in Why it's hard to overcome a bad childhood. Dr. Lipton explains that 95% of our operational programming is completed by age 7:

I look forward to learning more on the topic.

I like long-format podcasts like these https://www.youtube.com/@DrChatterjeeRangan/search?query=gabor mate
Or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hhhTWYDPAXI

Dr Lipton mentioned a sort of self brain washing by repeating things like "I am happy" to address the problem.

I guess it's like a first step in perspective-shifting - to get out of the negativity loop. He is similar to Ray in emphasizing problems with stress/trauma and cortisol production.
He seem to be more focused on emotional side of things and Ray was more about bioenergetics.

Deep down I think everyone wants to believe they can become the person that had a good childhood if the do xyz, correct the hormones or by reversing methylation and so on but that is probably is not realistic. That "scaffold" your childhood built is not going anywhere.

Yes, and for example for me admitting the existence of such a scaffold and working to mitigate/embrace it is working better than just denying its existence...
But also using Ray wisdom about bioenergetic - i.e. how to lower bad and increase good things turned out to be very useful.

Kvirion

BTW Interesting longer podcasts with Dr Lipton

Insomniac

@Kvirion said in Why it's hard to overcome a bad childhood. Dr. Lipton explains that 95% of our operational programming is completed by age 7:

BTW Interesting longer podcasts with Dr Lipton

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BR5MfCCyUoQ

https://www.qualialife.com/people/bruce-lipton-phd?

Thanks. I'm checking them out now.

Insomniac

@ThinPicking said in Why it's hard to overcome a bad childhood. Dr. Lipton explains that 95% of our operational programming is completed by age 7:

@Insomniac said in Why it's hard to overcome a bad childhood. Dr. Lipton explains that 95% of our operational programming is completed by age 7:

operations are programmed

What's Love (and fluid dynamics) got to do with it.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7955328/
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/35914548/
https://srcd.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1467-8624.1998.tb06233.x
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/9680676/

This topic is over my head. Interesting subject though. Thanks

ThinPicking

@Insomniac said in Why it's hard to overcome a bad childhood. Dr. Lipton explains that 95% of our operational programming is completed by age 7:

This topic is over my head.

Mine too. Welcome to earth.

Jennifer

@Insomniac said in Why it's hard to overcome a bad childhood. Dr. Lipton explains that 95% of our operational programming is completed by age 7:

Children never fully recover from abuse. Molested girls never seem to have completely normal relationships as adults.

I’m proof the above isn’t true. I was molested as a little girl, suffered neglect, but I don’t entertain dysfunctional relationships. I used to think that my inability to get close to a man was because of the past sexual abuse, but after working tirelessly to overcome trauma, find my voice and treat myself better than the past ever did, I realized I attracted men dominant in distorted, masculine energy and it’s distorted, masculine energy that I can’t get close to. I’m attracted to, and trust, energy in its divine state. My instincts were on point.

yerrag

@Jennifer

Your statement brims with hope. That people with the strong will to overcome what life would unfairly present to them to their disadvantage, would hang on to loose baggage and allow it to define them. I share that attitude.

However, having lived and seen what most people would do on their own cognizance, I believe they can find the burden they had hard to overcome over their lifetime.

I personally saw and lived through what my dad became from the trauma of his early years, and there was nothing I could do to change that, despite the prayers of our family- my mom and siblings and my dad's closest friends. All we could do was to have compassion for him. It took me the longest to understand him, as much as I believe his heart was good and I gave him an A for effort.

You did well, but I think that you are an exception, and that you do not prove the rule.

sneedful

@Jennifer thanks for posting that cause i know that user’s statement is incorrect and im too lazy to make my own reply to explain why

Insomniac

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Insomniac

Sexual Abuse and the Development of Anorexia

https://www.psychologytoday.com/intl/blog/eating-disorders-among-gender-expansive-and-neurodivergent-individuals/202304/sexual-abuse-and

Key points

Between 30 and 65 percent of individuals with anorexia have a history of childhood sexual abuse.
Body hatred, shame, and a tendency toward self-destructive behaviors are key in the correlation between anorexia and sexual abuse.
Due to the large overlap between sexual abuse and anorexia, eating disorder providers must be familiar with how trauma can present itself.

Insomniac

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4677006/

Childhood Trauma Questionnaire, a self-report measure of traumatic experiences in childhood. 75.6% of the chronically depressed patients reported clinically significant histories of childhood trauma.

Jennifer

@yerrag, I understand. I personally saw and lived through my mum’s trauma from her early years, even watched her die in my arms because of it, but I stand by my comment. I am proof that “children never fully recover from abuse” isn’t true. Some children, many even, but not all as Insomniac’s statement implies. Just like it was our parent’s choice to overcome their past, it was our choice to overcome ours and our parent’s and the collective’s/society’s by extension. We can lead a horse to water with the intention of having it drink, but what if it doesn’t believe it can drink because all the other horses don’t believe they can drink so they don’t? Thank God for all the exceptions breaking the rule.