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      "Because more than anything else rhythm and harmony find their way into the inmost soul and take strongest hold upon it”. - Plato

      Music is an inherent component of our identity. It is a kind of mirror, transparently revealing the nature of our character. It is the most authentic marker of personality, as music leaves no room for secrets—it is an expression of ourselves. It serves both as an indicator and a driving force for our activity in the broadest sense of the term. Music motivates, discourages, and inspires all at once. The power of these specific sound waves, arranged in an artistic and rhythmic sequence, is intriguing. So intriguing, in fact, that these surprising, physical waves have unexpectedly (or expectedly) profound effects on our bodies.

      Music is not merely mechanical waves perceived by our hearing organs. Different waves, rhythms, and tones impact the brain's neurochemistry in diverse ways. Music is a mechanical signal of what is about to happen in our brain.

      The fundamental components of music include melody, harmony, and rhythm.

      "For example, female field crickets are attracted to males that produce songs within a narrow range of pulse frequencies, and this selectivity is mediated by a network of interneurons that process instantaneous pulse frequency through a coincidence-detection mechanism (Schoneich, 2020). While pulse frequency preferences are innate in many invertebrates, experience can shape neuronal responses to pulse frequency in other species. For instance, excitatory neurons in the auditory cortex of mice are innately sensitive to the most frequent pulse frequency of pups (~5 syll/s), but their tuning can extend to a broader frequency range after cohabitation with pups producing the range of pulse frequencies (Schiavo et al., 2020)."

      Neuroimaging studies have shown that the striatum and other limbic system structures are activated when people experience pleasure derived from musical signals, and these responses are relative and depend on the degree of perceived musical pleasure (Mas-Herrero et al., 2021b). Similarly, the autonomic system (increased heart rate, altered breathing) also responds relative to the subjectively perceived pleasure from music. The dopaminergic system plays a particularly important role in experiencing pleasure from music, which is linked to the limbic system. For example, it has been proven that music therapy reduces ADHD symptoms, particularly in gaming contexts (M Martin-Moratinos et al., 2023). Another randomized controlled trial demonstrated that music therapy reduces cortisol expression, lowers blood pressure and heart rate, and improves psychological scale scores symptomatically (JI Park et al., 2023).

      Moreover, it has been observed that as subjective liking of music increases, functional connectivity between the auditory cortex and reward structures also increases, which has key implications for the course of musical anhedonia. A lack of connectivity between the auditory cortex and neuronal structures of the reward system is the cause of anhedonia or the lack of affective experiences in response to auditory stimuli.

      "Relationships between music and cognitive or sensory functions have been largely studied in humans. Longitudinal studies have shown that many years of music education or training are associated with improved executive functions, including inhibition, planning, and verbal intelligence in school-aged children (Jaschke et al., 2018; Hennessy et al., 2019). Similarly, in older adults, musical practice benefits cognitive functions (Roman-Caballero et al., 2018), while various forms of MBIs appear to benefit cognitive functions, including short-term and working memory, digit span, orientation, fluency, abstraction, and psychomotor speed, as well as reduce pain in individuals with dementia (Hofbauer et al., 2022). A significant amount of literature also supports music as an adjunctive treatment for pain relief (Lunde et al., 2019). In contrast, relatively few studies focus on the brain mechanisms through which MBIs induce cognitive and sensory effects in humans (Chaddock-Heyman et al., 2021) or in animal models (Zhou et al., 2022)."

      Thus, music is not merely a mechanical physical stimulus but a highly complex element that fundamentally influences brain neurochemistry and the central nervous system through the auditory cortex.

      Reports also suggest a soothing effect of auditory stimuli on stress levels and management, likely due to adaptive and central lowering of ACTH levels at the pituitary level.

      Music should not be viewed reductionistically but as broadly as possible. According to bioenergetic philosophy, music, if appropriate, can have positive metabolic inclinations; leading to increased aerobic glucose oxidation in the brain, as music can lower glucose levels, likely caused by neuronal activation at the limbic system level.

      From a bioenergetic perspective, music can be a useful tool for managing our physiology by increasing dopamine, reducing stress, and boosting motivation, linked to an enhanced dopaminergic response.

      As someone with ADHD, I love nu-style and old-style hardstyle, gabber, early hardcore, hard trance, hands-up, trance, and happy hardcore, which bring me the most joy and help with motivation.

      ,,Discovery consists of looking at the same thing as everyone else and thinking something different." - Albert Szent-Gyorgyi

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        A song that evokes a lot of positive emotions in me. One of the most motivating tracks.

        ,,Discovery consists of looking at the same thing as everyone else and thinking something different." - Albert Szent-Gyorgyi

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          are you European? that song is so bad. but to each his own. it’s objectively bad tho

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            the_black_jew @war4512
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            you're dutch, aren't you.

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                war4512 @the_black_jew
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                @the_black_jew You are obsessed with me.

                ,,Discovery consists of looking at the same thing as everyone else and thinking something different." - Albert Szent-Gyorgyi

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                  the_black_jew @war4512
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                  @war4512 it’s curious and interested in the chudcel phenomenon, not obsessed with you. read my thread about the fire that burns inside every man. you havent acknowledged or replied to my reply pointing out you apparently totally misunderstand the bonobo and black people study. it’s curious you havent replied

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                    Corngold @the_black_jew
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                    Agree, it's not a banger. Faithless is some banger material.

                    Youtube Video

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                      Corngold @war4512
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                      @war4512 said in Music through the bioenergetic way:

                      Music should not be viewed reductionistically but as broadly as possible. According to bioenergetic philosophy, music, if appropriate, can have positive metabolic inclinations; leading to increased aerobic glucose oxidation in the brain, as music can lower glucose levels, likely caused by neuronal activation at the limbic system level.

                      This is interesting.
                      The hard part about this is that the world is "music" when seen this way. It's hard to be around bad music when music is noise or loud conversations, etc. All of the elements of the world have some sonic / aural aspect, I think. Silence is a sound, I believe, as I also believe there are different types of silence. When Peat talks about stress, he isn't going at it from the psychological or sociological view in a technical way but I think those parts are important.

                      Music is a sort of "thinking with the senses." Or rather, when the senses begin to think. That's why I think there is open silence but also repressive/oppressive silence.

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                        I've found that listening to some types of music give almost like an adrenaline or stress response in myself, and I find myself unconciously going back to such songs and getting the same response again. Maybe this a hypothyroid thing, routinely submitting myself to this sort of mild stressor?

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                          war4512 @war4512
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                          One of the most dopaminergic songs in history.

                          ,,Discovery consists of looking at the same thing as everyone else and thinking something different." - Albert Szent-Gyorgyi

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                                "As I have never in my life tasted the joy of true love, I shall erect a memorial to this most beautiful of dreams in which love, from the first to the last, will for once find complete abundance. I have developed in my mind a Tristan and Isolde, the simplest yet most thoroughbred musical performance imaginable, and with the 'black flag' waving at the end I shall cover myself - to die."

                                Richard Wagner.

                                Put yourself on fire for peak energy metabolism.

                                Ignore, judge, overcommit.

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                                  NoeticJuice @the_black_jew
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                                  @war4512 said in Music through the bioenergetic way:

                                  Music is an inherent component of our identity. It is a kind of mirror, transparently revealing the nature of our character. It is the most authentic marker of personality, as music leaves no room for secrets—it is an expression of ourselves.

                                  @the_black_jew said in Music through the bioenergetic way:

                                  that song is so bad. but to each his own. it’s objectively bad tho

                                  Nice way of (potentially) increasing serotonin in another person. I wonder why a member of this forum would want to do that to someone else.

                                  @war4512 said in Music through the bioenergetic way:

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                                  A song that evokes a lot of positive emotions in me. One of the most motivating tracks.

                                  I liked how the song sounds a lot. The only thing preventing me from adding it to my playlist are the lyrics, but they do fit OCD quite well. I still feel a bit like I should add it.

                                  This is one of the happiest pieces of music I'm aware of, but I don't listen to it frequently:

                                  • https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PhusP6wn5p0

                                  Some music I've been listening to a lot recently:

                                  • https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gb4vzBErGyw
                                  • https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jlBIo2FaRmQ
                                  • https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pVpIVj1kJwc
                                  • https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YvklafyQZaM
                                  • https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c2onIu-x1wE

                                  Two books some of you might find interesting, both by Joscelyn Godwin:

                                  • The Harmony of the Spheres
                                  • The Harmonies of Heaven and Earth

                                  "We must remember that the only instrument of investigation we possess is our mind... The quality and condition of the telescope govern the observation resulting from it's use. If there is dust on our lens, we see dark spots in the heavens."

                                  "みー、 にぱ~☆"

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                                    @NoeticJuice said in Music through the bioenergetic way:

                                    Nice way of (potentially) increasing serotonin in another person. I wonder why a member of this forum would want to do that to someone else.

                                    It's objectively bad, true humour. And OP could've done the same thing to some 16 million people with their speech here, if they were too faint to know it wasn't idiocy. Relativity.

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                                      Corngold @NoeticJuice
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                                      @NoeticJuice said in Music through the bioenergetic way:

                                      Two books some of you might find interesting, both by Joscelyn Godwin:

                                      The Harmony of the Spheres
                                      The Harmonies of Heaven and Earth

                                      Good stuff, and great history to become familiar with.

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                                        LetTheRedeemed
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                                        No offense but I almost feel trolled by all the music suggestions here… disco is our high art lol

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                                          Corngold @Norwegian Mugabe
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                                          @Norwegian-Mugabe said in Music through the bioenergetic way:

                                          Richard Wagner

                                          He was a real one. Wagner, Bruckner, Shostakovich = serotonin, dopamine, cortisol, respectively.

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                                            LetTheRedeemed @Corngold
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                                            @Corngold hahaha I gotta listen to them again now

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