DHT as an alternative for TRT
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Heres my deal. I have a history of steroid usage and absolutely tanked my T over the years (literally 15 ng/dl) Want to get on replacement therapy ASAP. Yes, I have injectable DHT, Can I use that alone as an alternative to TRT or is there any important physiological effects I would be missing from lacking the Testosterone?
From my understanding DHT is the more potent 5 alpha reduced androgen which “skips” over the aromatization step, so in theory wouldnt I be getting all the masculinizing, mental, and physical benefits of testosterone just minus the estrogen. Or is there some things unique about testosterone in it’s non-reduced form which I would be missing?
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@ooopilled DHT is inactivated in skeletal muscle by 3A-HSD whereas testosterone is not to the same degree. So would be less anabolic without T. That's why oral anabolics like Anavar and Adrol have modifications in the A-ring to precent 3A-HSD from acting on them
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@jamezb46 I mostly want the mental aspect of DHT, just so I can feel “normal” again and have enough energy/motivation to sustain my health span. Some of the anabolic effects too tbh but muscle building isnt a primary concern at this point in time
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If you want the mental effects, why don’t you try oral Pregnenalone and DHT?
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Actually I think you would highly benefit from the oral medication Proviron. It is a non-hepatotoxic DHT derivative. Specifically it is 1-alpha methyl DHT. It is also a pharmaceutical in Germany manufactured by Bayer.
It can increase libido, decrease body fat, oppose estrogen, increase reproductive health.
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@jamezb46 I was told you’ll need at least a healthy amount of baseline T to get good benefits from DHT. Otherwise it’s a bit like raising DHT when your E2 is low. Almost pointless and will backfire? Not sure how true this is.
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@jamezb46 Proviron has been on my radar but im looking more to move away from the synthetic AAS and more towards bioidentical hormones, they seem more reliable at correcting biological deficiencies
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@ooopilled ya I think that’s true especially considering how low your T is.
Two things that come into my mind is to try transdermal Pregnenalone and vitamin K on the scrotum
And/Or eating up to 150 grams carbs each day from honey.
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@jamezb46 Got the honey part covered, its a major staple in my diet actually along with lots of other sugars, juices, fruits, etc. Averaging 500g carbs at least daily. The K2 + Preg combo sounds promising I will look into it. Do you think including andro with my TRT could increase the conversion to DHT while simultaneously functioning as an AI?
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all i can really say is taking 5mg dht taken once or twice a day (so 10mg max, might try 15mg) has coincided with some spontaneous improvements/healing of some previously chronic posture, inflammation, post stress injuries. it was at the point where exercising was so annoying because it didnt feel regenerative, physio type stuff and stretching etc felt like a waste of time, and now muscles and posture are just fixing by themselves. instead of trying to go for a walk to improve i feel improved and go for a walk / jog as a result. and maybe its just glycogen, loss of water retention, combined with better posture but i look leaner and fuller. posture makes a huge difference in appearance.
i tried various doses and ways of taking testosterone before, even tren and nandrolone, none of them worked as easy (too much unease and anxiety taking those) and as good feeling as dht. the only other thing i think came close is dbol in acute effects but i didnt trial it long, i only had a couple tablets.
ofc those other things i tried were before being peaty and just a totally bad mindset so idk. all i can day is taking dht is coinciding with spontaneous improvements. being peaty helped alot but i was still not reaching where i felt really really good as in ready for anything. before with just peaty diet and stuff yeah id have euphoria but itd have to be carefully curated. even going to the store i had to be feeling perfect. now im just ready to do whatever.
also i had tried cortinon and cortinon+ and the effects were not even close to what im experiencing now.
today i was dealing with someone’s otherwise difficult way of conversing with me and instead of getting frustrated with myself for being rattled and with them for being slightly rude, i just figured out how to talk to them to give them what they wanted (reassurance for their lowkey insecurities/fears) and as a result i got what i intended to get (a nice conversation and bringing the emotions to a peaceful beneficial level).
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@jamezb46 i have read this multiple times yet im getting more mind muscle and active contraction and relaxation effect with dht
it is doing somethingalso i lost a bunch of leg hairs after wuflu and after applyingdht to those areas they are growing back. i had been applying coconut oil, rosemary oil, and magnesium oil on there for over two months before, yet within 1-2 weeks of dht topical the hair has started growing back. the areas have been bare of hair for almost a year.
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@ooopilled also if ur T is that low maybe you should do a pct
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@ooopilled said in DHT as an alternative for TRT:
Yes, I have injectable DHT
Unless you made it yourself, it's likely fake.
@jamezb46 said in DHT as an alternative for TRT:
Actually I think you would highly benefit from the oral medication Proviron. It is a non-hepatotoxic DHT derivative. Specifically it is 1-alpha methyl DHT. It is also a pharmaceutical in Germany manufactured by Bayer.
It can increase libido, decrease body fat, oppose estrogen, increase reproductive health.
No, it's not available as a pharmaceutical in Germany or anywhere else in the world, it isn't even made anymore... it also hasn't been shown to decrease body fat or oppose estrogen. All studies have shown it to do is increase libido, reproductive health and act as a potent anti-depressant.
It now only exists as a counterfeit drug, for chums that see a Bayer logo and think that the medication is legit.
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@jamezb46 Would my use of anabolic steroids (mostly dbol, deca, and test) also have downregulated my 5ar? Or is most the effect down to suppressing LH and testosterone production while 5ar is mostly unaffected?
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I wonder if it’s possible that just pregnenelone, thyroid, and dhea could get me from 15ng/dL to a good healthy T level ?
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@ooopilled Yes, androsterone is an AI and converts to DHT. I think 3-4mg inhibited aromatase by 90%. @haidut had favorable lab results posted on the RP forum by using transdermal Andro in ethanol. I would assume that oral dissolved in tocopherols would work too, though
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@sushi_is_cringe Sounds like a W for DHT
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Proviron Summary of Product Characteristics
Looks like it's still being manufactured and is used in the middle east.
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@ooopilled Deca is highly suppressive but I don't think it would affect 5AR. Given your test levels are very low I don't think there's any reason to think 5AR is affected. If for example you had normal T but low DHT symptoms then there might be some reason to suspect a problem with 5AR
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@jamezb46 said in DHT as an alternative for TRT:
@ooopilled Yes, androsterone is an AI and converts to DHT. I think 3-4mg inhibited aromatase by 90%.
Quite interesting, will check out!
