did taking Armour the Peat way at night worked for you?
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It seems that Peat also recommended to take NDT just like a synthetic product like Cynoplus.
I believe his general recommendation was to take half grain with lunch dinner and breakfast.
how did that dose at dinner work for you? did it cause you some trouble falling a sleep or insomnia?
I do not think Armour should be taken like cynoplus, perhaps twice a day is enoguh, and on an empty stomach. The T3 in it won't peak that fast like the T3 in Cynoplus
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@GRay said in did taking Armour the Peat way at night worked for you?:
It seems that Peat also recommended to take NDT just like a synthetic product like Cynoplus.
I believe his general recommendation was to take half grain with lunch dinner and breakfast.
how did that dose at dinner work for you? did it cause you some trouble falling a sleep or insomnia?
I do not think Armour should be taken like cynoplus, perhaps twice a day is enoguh, and on an empty stomach. The T3 in it won't peak that fast like the T3 in Cynoplus
I’ve tried several dosing schedules with and without food and Ray’s recommendation works the best for me. I take half a grain of Armour at breakfast, lunch, dinner and with some hot cider or herbal tea before bed and I fall asleep fast (within a minute) and sleep soundly through the night. With that said, if I’ve had starch and/or too much protein, I wake between 2 and 4 am regardless so diet is the most important factor for me.
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Does your thyroid atrophy with those dosages?
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thanks for your feedback. I wish I can fall a sleep within a minute and sleep sound through the night too.
I was also taking half grain before breakfast and lunch, for the past month I have tried with a 1/4 before dinner, sometime with food, some time without. For the first couple of weeks I thought it wouldn't bother my ability to fall a sleep, but after a month I thought it did. I stopped it now and I seem to fall a sleep better. I was hoping the extra 1/4 would improve my sleep but it didn't.
Curious if you have any TSH to compare with the same dose Amour with food vs without
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@jamezb46 said in did taking Armour the Peat way at night worked for you?:
Does your thyroid atrophy with those dosages?
It doesn’t atrophy, no. Ray said that “the working thyroid gland produces about the equivalent of 4 grains of desiccated thyroid per day so taking that amount makes up for what your gland would be producing,” and studies using isotopes where large doses of thyroid were given to subjects until their glands were completely shut off showed that their glands returned to normal activity in 2 to 3 days of ceasing supplementation. Ray went on to say that “the gland is extremely quick to adjust its activity, both up and down, except when it's inhibited by stress, or PUFA, or estrogen, etc.” At two grains a day, I can miss doses and even stop taking it abruptly and experience no negative effects, except during times of extreme stress. When my mum (and best friend) passed away tragically and I took on all her responsibilities caring for my dad, even 4 grains of thyroid was ineffective.
I have stood on a mountain of no’s for one yes. ~ B. Smith
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You’re welcome, @GRay.
Have you noticed any sleep improvements with dietary changes?All I have are tests taken while fasted and non-fasted—two times I had eaten (and taken thyroid) within a half hour of the blood draw—and my TSH values were almost identical, however, I have found TSH to be an unreliable diagnostic, since several things can affect it, including adrenaline (it lowers TSH), which compensates when thyroid function is poor. When my thyroid crashed and I had adrenaline off the charts—I was in such a catabolic state that my body wasted away to 67 lb/30 kg at 5’4” and my spine collapsed—my TSH was 0.83. The best diagnostics for me have been temp, pulse rate, muscle relaxation rate (Achilles tendon reflex), rate of evaporation (determined by measuring the total fluids consumed and peed out in a 24 hr period) and mood.
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Thanks for sharing.
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@Jennifer said in did taking Armour the Peat way at night worked for you?:
Have you noticed any sleep improvements with dietary changes?
My diet style has been very similar for years. Since opening to Peat ideas I eat more carbs less fat and a bit less protein. I thought initially eating more carbs especially at night would help with sleep, but most of the times I still wake up a couple of times during sleep,
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I'm not so sure TSH recover that fast after stopping/reducing T3 or NDT, I mean I'd like to think that.
In the study I'm attaching below, a single 50mcg dose of T3 lowered TSH for several days. Now, 50mcg all in once is a huge dose, perhaps 5/10mcg at the time won't have same effect.
what do you think?
