white sugar honey and maple syrup

[Samyo]

what can I do to stop processed sugar, e.g maple syrup, honey, white sugar,causing me dry skin /seb dermititus in my beard? I had the problem for 8 years since I started peat, doesnt seem to be digestive related or lack of nutrients

Deepseek and TCm tell me to remove them to reduce the inflammation from these, but Peat says they dont cause inflammation, Ray peat is right that they give me energy thats why Ive been consuming them for 8 years at the cost of interal/skin inflammation

[LucH]

@Samyo said in white sugar honey and maple syrup:

what can I do to stop processed sugar, e.g maple syrup, honey, white sugar, causing me dry skin /seb dermititus in my beard?

Hi,
I'd stop milk for a while (seborrhea). Afterwards moderate it.
Need probably zinc (10-15 mg) and GLA from borage oil.
Sugar is not a problem if you manage well but not when overloading with one kind, without fiber. Preferably from whole food.
Better choices to operate. I can develop if interested.
You lack B1 with your choices carbs. Not only (interaction).

[Samyo]

@LucH the problem is fiber makes my skin dry, and i have dry skin, not moist
I think milk makes my skin moist and actually reduces in the inflammation on skin, inalignment with TCM

[LucH]

@Samyo

Not the right approach / reasoning.
See here why.
https://www.va.gov/WHOLEHEALTHLIBRARY/tools/seborrheic-dermatitis.asp#:~:text=While there are no good,made by yeast or fungi.

[Samyo]

@LucH so bascially a keto diet?

[Samyo]

@LucH When i drank like 5 litres of milk in a halfa day, i got loose stools and diareaha, about a day and half after, my skin was moist with no skin imflammation, I gave up after that day and half because I lacked energy to be physical and needed high carbs, the skin inflammation came straight back

[LucH]

@Samyo said in white sugar honey and maple syrup:

so bascially a keto diet

No.
Carbs are the right kind but not how you manage ...

[LucH]

@Samyo said in white sugar honey and maple syrup:

the problem is fiber makes my skin dry, and i have dry skin, not moist

I suppose you've eaten a lot of carrot. Not the right fibber except in particular circumstances, provided you did it only once a day, in cure.
Carrot and bamboo are chelators, so that they capture useful nutrients (and toxins + estrogen, OK; that why RP recommended them).
Raw carrot is also rich in oxalates. Oxalates and phytates capture Ca (and possibly some Mg).
DOI: 10.1079/BJN20031081

So, don't tell me the fibbers from vegetables are the problem. Perhaps you can't afford it because your linen is weak (thin mucus). There are two main kinds of fibbers: soluble fibbers and insoluble fibbers. Insoluble fibber is hard and nourish the bacteria in your big colon.
So, you have to go to feces 2x/d to avoid stagnation and problems (overgrowth).

[Samyo]

@LucH should i eat oatbran for breakfirst it make me poop within 20mins ? I can expect it to dry my skin out further during the day

[LucH]

@Samyo said in white sugar honey and maple syrup:

should i eat oatbran for breakfirst

NO. Not the right kind: Brans are too rich in oxalates. But ok for oat cereals. I eat them 2x/wk:
My recept:
4 big tbsp (50 gr), 6 half-pecan nuts, 4 big tbsp coconut shredded (thin ones) and hazelnut milk (or full milk).
Note that you bring 2 g PUFA like that. So you need some SFA (coconut oil). I'd add one tsp coconut oil.
I use Jordan ones, simply natural with honey.
And one protein: a slice ham or cheese (Gouda for vit K2) or 2 eggs (free farmed ones)
And the fibbers are not going to dry your skin if you tolerate the right kind.
Need zinc and GLA for your skin.
I'd learn how to make a "cream" with aloe vera, silicium (G5) and jojoba oil. See Aroma Zone site.

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Just another angle here samyo.

@Samyo said in white sugar honey and maple syrup:

I think milk makes my skin moist and actually reduces in the inflammation on skin, inalignment with TCM

@Samyo said in white sugar honey and maple syrup:

When i drank like 5 litres of milk in a halfa day, i got loose stools and diareaha, about a day and half after, my skin was moist with no skin imflammation, I gave up after that day and half because I lacked energy to be physical and needed high carbs, the skin inflammation came straight back

Consider the concentration of solutes relative to existing TBW (total body water). This is gross simplification but I like to do it internally for myself, if the concentration is high and TBW is low. Whatever you're eating or drinking has the potential to dry you out. The opposite can also be true relative to TES (total effective solute).

This will also have a bearing on peristalsis and therefore be relevant to your "My constipation, clear glowing skin diet" thread.

It may also depend on your behaviour and how frequently you're experiencing stressors. Which you can induce, internally, all on your own, at rest. So don't assume you're free of them if you're not obviously challenging yourself with something. Also no need to overthink, your body has a wisdom all of its own that you can align with. Just simplify and consider in your thought, perception and action.

@ThinPicking said in I asked deepseek what chinese medicine would think about ray peat dietary advice:

Also I'm fond of TCM descriptors for volume status and composition. But I don't see the words "salt", "sodium", "chloride" or "bicarbonate" anywhere in the chat.

[Samyo]

@ThinPicking I ate some oats, it helped me poop, skin turning red and dry again tounge is getting white

[Samyo]

@LucH Oats, same outcome as oatbran, all starch acts the same on skin, great for bowels, bad for skin

[Samyo]

@ThinPicking TCM Perspective:

Internal Imbalances:

    Heat or Fire Syndromes: Redness and dryness may stem from internal Heat (e.g., Lung or Stomach Heat) or Yin deficiency (lack of nourishing fluids).

    Dietary Factors: Excessive sugar intake (internal) can create damp-heat, aggravating inflammation.

"The symptoms you're experiencing—redness, dryness, and rashes on your face, particularly around the beard, chin, and jaw—after consuming white sugar may stem from several interconnected factors. Here's a structured breakdown of potential causes and recommendations:

1. Bacterial or Fungal Overgrowth

   Mechanism: Sugar can feed harmful bacteria (e.g., Staphylococcus) or fungi (e.g., Malassezia) on the skin, especially in hair-prone areas like the beard. This may lead to folliculitis, acne, or seborrheic dermatitis.

   Action: Consider topical antifungal/antibacterial treatments (e.g., ketoconazole shampoo) and maintain strict facial hygiene, washing after sugary foods to remove residue.

2. Blood Sugar and Inflammation

   Insulin Spikes: High sugar intake triggers insulin surges, increasing sebum production and inflammation, which can clog pores and worsen acne/rashes.

   Systemic Inflammation: Sugar promotes inflammatory cytokines, potentially aggravating conditions like rosacea or eczema.

   Action: Opt for low-glycemic foods and anti-inflammatory nutrients (omega-3s, turmeric).

3. Gut-Skin Axis

   Dysbiosis: Excess sugar disrupts gut microbiota, potentially causing "leaky gut," which may manifest as skin inflammation.

   Action: Incorporate probiotics (yogurt, kefir) and fiber to support gut health.

4. Allergic or Intolerance Reactions

   Non-Allergic Hypersensitivity: Though rare, sugar may indirectly trigger histamine release or intolerance symptoms.

   Action: Rule out allergies with an allergist and monitor reactions with a food diary.

5. Hormonal Effects

   Androgen Activation: Sugar may increase androgens, boosting oil production and folliculitis risk in beard areas.

   Action: Balance hormones with a diet rich in zinc (nuts, seeds) and magnesium (leafy greens).

6. Nutritional Deficiencies

   Skin Barrier Weakness: High sugar diets may displace nutrients critical for skin health (vitamins A, C, E, zinc).

   Action: Prioritize nutrient-dense foods and consider supplements if deficient.

7. Topical Irritation

   Residual Sugar: Sugar particles on facial hair/skin might trap bacteria.

   Action: Rinse face after consuming sugary foods and moisturize to protect the skin barrier.

Next Steps

Consult Professionals: A dermatologist can assess for fungal/bacterial infections, rosacea, or eczema. An allergist or nutritionist may help identify dietary triggers.

Elimination Diet: Temporarily remove sugar and monitor symptoms to confirm causality.

Skincare Routine: Use gentle cleansers, non-comedogenic moisturizers, and antifungal products if needed.

Summary

Your reaction likely involves a mix of microbial overgrowth, inflammation, gut disruption, and hormonal shifts. Addressing dietary habits, skin hygiene, and underlying health factors is key. Professional guidance can tailor solutions to your specific needs."

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@Samyo said in white sugar honey and maple syrup:

@ThinPicking TCM Perspective:

Internal Imbalances:

    Heat or Fire Syndromes: Redness and dryness may stem from internal Heat (e.g., Lung or Stomach Heat) or Yin deficiency (lack of nourishing fluids).

    Dietary Factors: Excessive sugar intake (internal) can create damp-heat, aggravating inflammation.

@ThinPicking said in I asked deepseek what chinese medicine would think about ray peat dietary advice:

Also I'm fond of TCM descriptors for volume status and composition. But I don't see the words "salt", "sodium", "chloride" or "bicarbonate" anywhere in the chat.

It's actually the same perspective samyo, the language makes for illusion. The more you read, the better you sleep, the more you know. Bonus if you speak mandarin or a variation.

The whale's recommendations on the back of that "perspective" are a bit suspect. Remember that tech is work in progress.

[Samyo]

@ThinPicking I dont understand what you're trying to say, Salt in tcm and ayurveda are drying and heating to the body

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Sleep well samyo

[Samyo]

Seems like

my Ferritin and transferring saturation came back as unsatisfied on blood test, waiting to hear a call from the doctor now.. Im now due a routine test..

[LucH]

@Samyo said in white sugar honey and maple syrup:

my Ferritin and transferring saturation came back as unsatisfied on blood test

Mind these common supplement:
green tea, turmeric, quercetin, and resveratrol.

Phytate-rich food amalgam iron.
=> Carrot salad, nuts & seeds.

[Samyo]

@LucH said in white sugar honey and maple syrup:

rmeric, qu

I dont take them at all are you saying to take them or avoid them?