Le sex vs semen retention
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I return to this post after having some thinking and experimentation. Preliminary conclusions follow.
Nietzsche believed in the power of semen as one of the most vital nourishments for the ubermensch.
Nietzsche was also an incredibly sickly man who died very insane. In my opinion, the semen fascination seems to be the concept mostly of malnourished peasant classes, and the view is today expressed most vigorously in places like India, where vegetarianism predominates.
If sex is considered to be only a matter of reproduction, or alienated "pleasure", it would probably be true that it shouldn't be done frivolously, or on the basis of "sole" desire. Ironically, this view is incredibly sterile in how it goes against the material basis of the life process, as a stretching out into possibility, futurity, and The Other of the world itself, as well as the ability of matter to correctly judge and understand the world.
But it seems that the purpose of sex extends beyond mere reproduction. People stuck thinking along the lines of darwinian reproductive success have to grapple with problems like why females have orgasms at all (and vigorously at that), implicitly tying the orgasm exactly to the ejaculation.
The genitals have a high-bandwidth connection to one end of spinal cord. At the very other end of the spinal cord is none other than the brain. Along it run connections to the main body of the organs and limbs, i.e., the meat of our ability to influence and be present in the world. If we imagine this antenna-like structure to have a form of resonance, in turn "aligning" cells to its emissions, impulses running along its entire length would have a greater ability to do this. Thus the act serves to synchronize cells. When the glans makes contact with cervical fornices, with a nice level of wetness for electrical connectivity, the overall length of the antenna is increased, perhaps even along the length of two spinal cords. This is why sodomy is bad and why jorking it often feels terrible.
Personally, beef liver has made me much better at not feeling drained and tired after sex.
I've tried non-ejaculatory sex a bit but found it unsatisfying. Maybe I should investigate that again.
tldr, have sex a normal amount. It's clearly good for you in moderation, at least after reproductive maturity occurs due to stressful conditions.
Sexless people are, as a rule, unhappy, or sick.
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There is a bit more nuance to your rule than explained.
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@Mallard6146 I think it fairly well understood on this forum that sexual maturity (especially early) tends to be the result of life stressors, which at this time, appear to be largely unavoidable in the world. Immortality would probably mean a much later sexual maturity, if ever. And it's also clear that hypersexual people aren't healthy. Perhaps unable to reach satisfaction (synchronization?) due to a bad hormonal situation. Not unlike some drug users they are desperately trying to reach out for this thing with some relatively positive consequences in order to feel better, although with an overall negative result. Local optimum.
There is no flowchart yet, but it's clear to me that the answer to OP's question swings towards "have sex", especially "good".
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I’d like more thoughts and discussion on this.
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@healthyfungus Something I wish there was a bit more literature on is the effect of semen on females.
If you look around you'll find some stuff about the semen of fruit flies causing behavioral changes in females, but this hasn't been carried out in humans AFAIK.
If the "potency" of semen is related among other things to the metabolic functionality of sperm cells, then metabolically healthy sperm might have an actual psychological effect on females. In my personal experience this is at least plausible.
It's also an interesting potential vector of horizontal gene transfer. It makes me think about the utility of that even for something like treating diseases "caused" or at least flywheeled on genetic expression.
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@Rah1woot It may be beneficial for females, but is it worth losing the semen for a female's benefit?
I'm making a ton of videos on semen retention, here's the first one, and have more coming on the channel.
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@healthyfungus said in Le sex vs semen retention:
It may be beneficial for females, but is it worth losing the semen for a female's benefit?
Hardly the only thing men do for women's benefit... probably the upside for the male-female pair is positive-sum. Even if once a month or so.
Ray Peat talked briefly about how bacteria would donate genetic material through horizontal gene transfer even for "strange, unrelated" bacteria.
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I once emailed Dr. Peat about semen’s effect on women and he responded “ I think it’s likely to be beneficial, if the man is healthy.”
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@Ecstatic_Hamster said in Le sex vs semen retention:
I once emailed Dr. Peat about semen’s effect on women and he responded “ I think it’s likely to be beneficial, if the man is healthy.”
Damn, there goes my next pick-up line.
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@Luke lol.
I have practiced having sex twice a day, and ejaculating on a schedule, but not that often, for about 15 years.
I have found that men can become more masculine, more powerful, more successful, this way. And you are head over heels in love with your partner.
Nothing compares to this to make a wonderful life. Nothing.
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@Ecstatic_Hamster
I remember an interview with the late Gary Wilson. He said that the doctor who "prescribed" karezza to patients (for birth control) was surprised that one of the side effects was that marriages improved when the guy stopped ejaculating so much.That fits with your description of "head over heels in love with your partner".
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@Ecstatic_Hamster I've been trying to make a point of cumming inside, per fertility awareness, I can do it without risk of pregnancy perhaps once a month.
My woman being more healthy is a benefit to me.
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@Ecstatic_Hamster said in Le sex vs semen retention:
@Luke lol.
I have practiced having sex twice a day, and ejaculating on a schedule, but not that often, for about 15 years.
I have found that men can become more masculine, more powerful, more successful, this way. And you are head over heels in love with your partner.
Nothing compares to this to make a wonderful life. Nothing.
Hi, likely gooning/edging ain't optimal and ain't better than ejaculating or no lust at all. I in my experience Gooning/edging doesn't increase any of the things you mentionned above, it reduce it if you do it long enough. Depending on what is optimal for your body at a given time, both no lust at all, and sex with quick ejaculation much better than gooning/edging for everything you mentionned above.
Most animals that we commonly see in documentaries dont have sex most of the years and when they do they dont goon/edge, it often last seconds or minutes
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@water-fire not my experience. My own experience and coaching many others, shows me that this works very, very well in maintaining high drive and high interest in one’s partner. It makes for an amazing life. I don’t suggest doing this alone. When it’s sex with a partner it’s completely different than edging to porn by yourself.
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@healthyfungus your rapture video is really funny
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@sunsunsun lol it was a clip from a full video coming.
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I lost my account creds and also got insanely busy. I'll keep it brief in saying that I'm probably wrong by being /this/ pro-ejaculation, I guess. I've been taking SR somewhat more seriously recently and the effect on "the metabolic rate" is noticeable and pronounced, especially in behavior and the "feel" of my brain as faster and sharper. It's probably /especially/ important if you are malnourished but /still/ important if you aren't.
I do dislike how mystical a lot of the dialogue around SR is, leads to brainworms. I almost feel an obligation to produce some kind of measured self-experiment to suggest that it might increase the heart rate or something. I don't really see the benefit as coming from some kind of "reabsorption" (which inherently has an ideological belief that this fluid is constantly being produced and therefore there exists some kind of "resistance" in not expelling it), but merely from not having to expend resources reloading the gun as much.
I think most of the seemingly invulnerable males that you meet in life are doing mild SR. They're not talking or thinking about it though, counting the days, they're just not doing the uneducated thing of ejaculating for no reason.
That seems to me to be an ideal.
I could be wrong but it also seems to be a relevant factor in male hair loss. Eunuchs, women, children, don't ejaculate and as such keep their hair (to a greater extent). It's a state moving towards the periphery of death, unfortunately. The male nature as a somewhat disposable one. As is often mentioned ejaculation downright kills some lower organisms.
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I find my mental faculties become greater when I am not loosing my super sauce
