My suicidal experience with potatoes solanine driven depression
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@Corngold I believe Dr Norman Childers was the first one to make the connection between nightshades vegetables and arthritis, he wrote the book "Arthritis-Childers' Diet That Stops It!" in the 70s. I can't find the book but apparently he collected anecdotes from 1000s of people that got better on the diet.
As for the exact mechanisms why it causes arthritis in some individuals, I can't say for sure. It probably has to do with the glycoalkaloid poisons like solanine. I read somewhere that excessive parasympathetic nerve activation can make it difficult for muscles to relax, leading to trigger points/muscle knots (solanine being a cholinesterase inhibitor).
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@Korven interesting however I think potato and tomato are very good and I've never had issues I can tie to this food group.
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How do you feel when eating färskpotatis? I usually tolerate them better with heaps of butter and salt.
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Drinking tahiti lemon juice balances things out for me. Makes eating potatoes less likely to develop into depression/sadness/suicidal.
I think there's more to explore in this combination.
Potatoes and tahiti lemon juice -
"Ray,
You have said in interviews that you think it's good to avoid starch, but you've also said that potatoes are nearly a perfect food. I know you think it's good to eat some butter with starch but you've also said that you think too much butter can be fattening and you also like low fat or skim milk. So if one was to get a lot of daily calories from potatoes with no butter added, is the starch from the potato still likely to contribute to soft tissue or lymph damage from starch particles or is that only of concern from flour products, that is, starch consumed from flour products, which are usually consumed with the polyunsaturated fats."
RE:"I think potato starch is likely to cause some cumulative damage if it isn’t eaten with some fat. I don’t eat potatoes, both because of the starch and their allergenicity. As a cheap source of nourishment, they are far better than the beans and rice that are often recommended for cheap protein and calories. When the starch is removed, the cooked liquid can be used as a protein supplement for people with special metabolic problems."
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One could make a potato salad with well-boiled potatoes, lemon and vinegar, and herbs.
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@Korven good call. I think its worth it to stay away. I've gone back in forth and whenever I eat after abstaining my sleep suffers and something just feels extremely "off". Same goes for tobacco. I love smoking but it just does something like causes a strange paranoia and lingering feeling of impending doom.
Have you ever noticed your parents or siblings deal with similar symptoms you do when consuming nightshades? My dad deals with nightmares and chronic insomnia and consumes copious amounts of potatoes, tomatoes, and smokes tobacco 24/7.
I bought Childers book a couple months ago and a lot of the testimonials match up with my own experience.
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@Aniciete said in My suicidal experience with potatoes solanine driven depression:
I bought Childers book a couple months ago and a lot of the testimonials match up with my own experience.
Was coffee mentioned in his book anyhow ( alkaloids in coffee) ?
Macrobiotic recommendations aside, there does seem to exist a relationship between our widespread use of potatoes and tomatoes and our high intake of milk and milk products. They are often almost irrevocably paired: tomato sauce and cheese, potatoes and cream. Which came first, the dairy or the nightshades¿ If the nightshades affect our calcium metabolism, then the milk products could be needed to provide us with extra calcium. Or, conversely, our excessive calcium intake from milk products may create a demand for a food such as tomatoes, to break up the accumulation. To keep us balance, the, do tomatoes need cheese, or does cheese need tomatoes? The answer is yes, to both. Your will find it easier to give up nightshades and dairy both, that either one or the other. Conversely, a dariy-free diet that does use nightshades to an appreciable extent could result in calcium loss, as happened to one of my students who had that condition clinically diagnosed. When she eliminated the nightshades, the calcium loss was reversed.
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Hello potato people,
I have been eating a lot of nightshades over the past couple of months. Can't be bothered to cook my own "special food" so I just eat whatever is available (often potatoes for lunch and dinner) and I think this has caused my acetylcholine levels to go crazy.
You wouldn't believe the insane, vivid dreams I have been having every night - straight out of some horror film. I toss and turn a lot in bed and can't get long hours of uninterrupted sleep.
I also ruminate a lot during day time on past mistakes, which gives me anxiety. This is weird because I am usually quite zen and live in the present? It's like my brain is relentlessly bringing up useless shit for me to get agitated. Very weird.
The only other thing I can think of is that I started taking Ajipure taurine (2 grams) and vitamin D (5000 IU). Do either of these boost acetylcholine to a significant degree?
I just took 100 mg niacin and this made me feel a lot more chilled out.
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@Korven said in My suicidal experience with potatoes solanine driven depression:
Hello potato people,
I have been eating a lot of nightshades over the past couple of months. Can't be bothered to cook my own "special food" so I just eat whatever is available (often potatoes for lunch and dinner) and I think this has caused my acetylcholine levels to go crazy.
You wouldn't believe the insane, vivid dreams I have been having every night - straight out of some horror film. I toss and turn a lot in bed and can't get long hours of uninterrupted sleep.
I also ruminate a lot during day time on past mistakes, which gives me anxiety. This is weird because I am usually quite zen and live in the present? It's like my brain is relentlessly bringing up useless shit for me to get agitated. Very weird.
The only other thing I can think of is that I started taking Ajipure taurine (2 grams) and vitamin D (5000 IU). Do either of these boost acetylcholine to a significant degree?
I just took 100 mg niacin and this made me feel a lot more chilled out.
typical potato effects, i never have sleep paralysis, i never eat potato, last time i ate it and ate a good amount, i had scary sleep paralysis
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@random124 Yes I've also had a lot of sleep paralysis lately, it's very not pleasant!
And neck pain
Just one day off nightshades and I am feeling very much better, maybe I am allergic to them.
