Gut dysbiosis and the Prom
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I want to ask this girl to the prom but I have terrible gut issues what I think is dysbosis.
What should I be taking to calm the gut as soon as possible and stop irritating it.
I’m thinking L theanine
Vit E
Mag
Coconut oil at all meals
Carrot salad
Coffee maybe
Thiamine?Idk
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@gg12 said in Gut dysbiosis and the Prom:
I want to ask this girl to the prom but I have terrible gut issues what I think is dysbosis.
What should I be taking to calm the gut as soon as possible and stop irritating it.
I’m thinking L theanine
Vit E
Mag
Coconut oil at all meals
Carrot salad
Coffee maybe
Thiamine?Idk
Yo, if you dont feel confortable about it, i suggest dont ask her, it likely wont change anything to your relationship. Eating less, and eating optimally cooked meat with some fat if you are meat eater can be chill on the guts, some good honey with enough water too. Getting negative feelings/stress from anticipating something with a girl likely imply you aint in optimal state for it, optimally you feel things but it doesnt cause you negative feelings, you feel part playfull about it
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@gg12 Avoid starchy and fatty meals. Prefer sugar (fruit), low fat milk and lean meat instead. Don't forget to salt your meals. Coconut oil is mildly antibacterial, so not conductive to short term reduction of symptoms. Carrots yeah, will help reduce Serotonin. Maybe Ginger. Coffee helps if you are congested.
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@gg12 said in Gut dysbiosis and the Prom:
I think is dysbosis
Which kind? fermentation or putrefaction? If it doesn't smell like rot eggs (sulphur), it's probably fermentation. Bacterial overgrowth.
First we have to calm down irritated stomach linen and irritate bowels.
Then rebuild leaky gut. But if there is dysbiosis, it means there is an unbalanced microbiome.
Before targeting a healthy microbiome, we would probably have to get free place. We shouldn't add one lay with bacterial overgrowth.
Not the right way to deal with a carrot salad if you're inflamed.Thiamine is a good option. but there is a protocol, with staples. Not at the beginning.
So is L-theanine and glycine. Fine. there is an interaction between the brain and the microbiome, though the vagus nerve.
No coffee with an irritated stomach or if you're anxious.
And it's not the milk and the sugar you could put inside, it's going to change the game. Moreover, I won't put milk in my coffee with open tight junctions.I'd have very simple meals. one or two elements. No legumes. We don't chose the kind of food for the health benefits (bone broth or coffee) but for what is tolerated, at the beginning (inflamed linen).
If you haven't got a plan, you won't tolerate much.
If you're interested I can give a link with more details. But please, don't ran with several horses at the same time. -
@LucH can I hear your thoughts on zero fiber?
Also should I be concerned about oxolate intake?And should my first goal to be stop irritating the gut. I think I can accept that challenge.
I do have bad microbiome it’s from previous ssri use when I was younger caused me PSSD (still have it).
People in the PSSD community cleanse gut with antibiotics then repopulate with good bacteria prebiotics. They think most of the bad bacteria from SSRIs lingering in the gut is what causes the “epigenetic changes”Im thinking a lot of meat and rice and simple fruit. But a lot of fruit irritates my stomach. I’m not sure how to get enough calcium because I can’t tolerate dairy either. (Calcium to phosphate)
Also with coffee it helps with my constipation but I can’t say it confidently helps my gut. It just effects me very weirdly and I don’t like it effecting my appetite and sleep.
I wouldn’t mind if you sent me those links
But it looks like I can’t cure this issues overnight -
@gg12 said in Gut dysbiosis and the Prom:
can I hear your thoughts on zero fiber?
We need to make the difference between the kinds of fibbers. And the moment. If your stomach is irritated, you won't tolerate them if there are brut / hard.
*) "Also with coffee it helps with my constipation but I can’t say it confidently helps my gut. It just effects me very weirdly and I don’t like it effecting my appetite and sleep".
=> OK if you can manage it well and have no underlined anxiety.
If you have a lazy MMC (interprandial bowel contraction), you won’t solve the problem with caffeine on the long term. Moreover there is an adaptation process (accustomed to caffeine).
I would rather combine an antibiotic and resolor 0.5 mg (half a tablet). For optimizing the transit and killed excess bacteria.
But this is not the first target. First to get rid of candida albicans. Or to be sure it’s not there. Or you won’t be able to eat carbs.
Note the test with the glass is not 100 % sure. Labo test required or you do as if you were infected.*) "should I be concerned about oxalate intake?"
=> Oxalate in excess is really a problem but I suppose you don’t eat sweet potatoes, spinach or rhubarb twice a week. 50 mg per day when overloaded. 150 - 200 mg oxalate if you know how to manage – but not in crisis. With magnesium bisglycinate or potassium citrate. The last one being optimal.
When I eat a compote with apricot and rhubarb, I take one big caps calcium citrate. Ca binds to oxalate (lost in feces). Magnesium or potassium prevent oxalate to form heavy crystals. Easy for the body to let them go away.
NB: oxalate may feed a kind of bacteria but if you've cleaned the place and have take some coconut, it should be ok.*) "People in the PSSD community cleanse gut with antibiotics then repopulate with good bacteria prebiotics".
=> Yes. Ok but the problem will come back if you haven’t an optimal MMC (transit).
We must absolutely avoid the stagnation of starch in the second part of the colon. Otherwise, you’ll feed bacteria that haven’t nothing to do there. Stools 2x/d.
Info on MMC
The migrating motor complex (MMC) is an electrical and contractile activity of digestive motility which takes place in the inter-digestive periods (between two meals), and interrupted by food intake. Each MMC is accompanied by an increase in gastric, pancreatic and duodenal secretions. They are thought to serve to evacuate contents in the small intestine between meals, and also to transport bacteria from the small intestine into the colon. An alteration of this phase notably favors the development of chronic bacterial colonization of the small intestine, a source in particular of bloating, diarrhea, or even steatorrhea, of the majority of food intolerances. When contractile activity is low, we then speak of lazy intestines. Support and rehabilitation is often necessary, with a prokinetic.
NB: I’ve used Resolor 0.5 mg, as prokinetic (1 tablet 1 mg cut into 2 pieces) which is classified as laxative but not used so).
Best option: Resolor as N°1 (MMC) and erythromycine as N°2 (antibiotics).
Professor Mark Pimentel explains that resolution is to be favored when one has IBS, post-infectious or not (80% are), and not trying only to solve the symptoms.*) "Im thinking a lot of meat and rice and simple fruit. But a lot of fruit irritates my stomach. I’m not sure how to get enough calcium because I can’t tolerate dairy either. (Calcium to phosphate)"
=> There are two kinds of fibbers: soluble and insoluble fibbers. The last one goes to the colon and feeds bacteria when it stays too long.
You could use a mixer to use greens, fruits and supplement. But not now if dysbiosis. Mind excess fructose as our capacity is limited. I target 50/50 glucose / fructose. 50 gr maxi of each, when with fibber (not mixed). Otherwise 25 / 25 g.
You only need 550 mg Ca. 850 mg optimal for RP.
If you eat meat and cheese, you won’t lack phosphorus.
There few lactose in hard cheese. I take one slice young gouda at the breakfast (contains K2). A white sort cheese could do the job too.*) Summary:
First calm down and limit the overgrowth.
If no candida: L-glutamine 500 mg (1/8 tsp) x 3 + glycine 5 gr x 2 (or 1 tsp collagen x 2) for stomach linen.
Eat what you can tolerate (mixer). Mind excess sugar. Sugar makes it easier for fermentation.
If the digestion takes too long: enzymes (+ betaine HCL for fats).
Relaxation technique: EFF or sophrology + walk 15-20’ after the evening meal.Useful links
*) SIBO: the invasion of bad bacteria in your intestine (Dr A. D’Oro)
https://mirzoune-ciboulette.forumactif.org/t1131-sibo-pullulation-bacterienne#11611
NB: In French (translator needed).
=> Key Ideas
• The microbiota is the center of our immunity.
• If you regularly suffer from bloating, belching, flatulence, gastric reflux, abdominal pain and/or diarrhea, or even unexplained fatigue, most of these problems originate in the small intestine, where there is an excess of bacteria (SIBO).
There is a close link between bacterial overgrowth and celiac disease (irritable bowel syndrome or IBS).
• SIBO, FODMAPs, gluten sensitivity, lactose intolerance, etc., all contribute to low-grade inflammation of the intestinal mucosa. However, low-grade inflammation weakens leaky gut. This opens the door to an autoimmune reaction.
• Understand the process that leads to intestinal permeability.*) Strengthen the intestinal mucus when suffering from MICI (IBS)
NB: In French (translator needed).
MICI = Maladies Inflammatoires Chroniques de l'Intestin (MICI = IBS)
https://mirzoune-ciboulette.forumactif.org/t1979-renforcer-le-mucus-intestinal-en-cas-de-mici#28917 -
@LucH I Really appericate such a detailed response. Ill check those links out. Your a great member to the community!
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hey man! first of all - definitely ask the girl out! you will be able to pull it together and have a nice time, don't worry about it.
in regards to your question, i have over come some serious gut issues and can definitely recommend a few things. you'll want to think about it short term (what can i do right now to reduce symptoms) and long term (what can i do to restore metabolism and optimal gut function).
first, an excellent way to settle the gut in the short term, reduce inflammation, serotonin, histamine, etc. is cyproheptadine. it's a game changer, but take it at night and make sure you go to bed at a decent hour because it will make you groggy the next morning if you don't get a lot of sleep. however for me, it has been a miracle for calming intestinal distress. https://idealabs.ecwid.com/Cyproheptadine-p77044652
second, carrot salad once daily. it's a cliche at this point but it really helps. raw carrot grated lengthwise with some EVOO or coconut oil and a bit of apple cider vinegar, salt to taste. it works as an antibiotic and also as a "rake" to move bacteria and endotoxin out of the intestine. you might also consider some pharmaceutical antibiotics if you could get a prescription for doxycycline, minocycline, penicillin, erythromycin, or azythromycin. those are pharma antiobiotics that peat felt were safe. i am a big fan of doxy and mino and erythromycin. the pharma antibiotics can be VERY helpful short term, but they are more of a band aid. you need to get metabolism up and digestion running smoothly to prevent overgrowth long term.
third, as a few have already said, focus on sugar instead of starch for carbs (orange juice, honey, ripe fruit, even refined cane sugar). adding 100mg or so of thiamine hcl (vitamin b1) into some orange juice in the morning has also helped with my gut issues a lot. in fact i recently tried stopping it just to see what would happen, and my digestion got noticeably worse. you could also get some powdered gelatin and add it to orange juice. very soothing to the gut and reduces systemic inflammation. bone broth is also a good source of gelatin protein.
you will also want to make sure you continue to get enough calories, even though your gut is compromised. it's a catch 22, but if you don't get enough nutrition, you cannot heal. ice cream with good ingredients (haagen dazs vanilla, chocolate) can be good for this purpose. i eat some every night.
if you're on this forum you probably already know to avoid seed oils/pufa. but i would also recommend avoiding bread/pasta/grains, legumes, potatoes, basically starch. when digestion is poor, starch will become food for bacteria, cause fermentation, gas, bloating, leaky gut, etc. stick to sugar for now.
potentially, a t3/t4 thyroid supplement could help. if you can't get a scrip, you could take a natural desiccated thyroid product, many available online.
anyways go for it man, and don't worry. you will get better. feel free to dm with any questions.
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sorry, i forgot to add that you will want to make sure your vitamin d level is adequate and likely need to supplement vitamin d. vitamin d in EVOO will be least irritating to the stomach, premier research labs or lark supply are good options.
and related to that, making sure you have adequate calcium intake relative phosphorous (grains and meat are high in phosphorous and low in calcium). so milk and cheese if you can tolerate it are good. you can try warm milk with honey and gelatin, some digest that easier. alternatively you can just supplement calcium in the form of eggshell calcium powder, there are a few places that sell it online.
these things will get you going in the right direction.
