getting super lean sickkunt
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Does anyone have some experience with getting >10% bf?
been on le honey diet for about a week, I've done it in the past to drop around 8 pounds pretty quickly but it always seems to plateau...
I'm not doing DNP or DHT, so don't suggest that... unless you have a good source in topical DHT lol
I'm 185 at like 5'11 13/14% bf, tryna drop to 175 ASAP!!! time for summer baby!!!
before anyone tells me rapid fat loss is bad because of excessive FFAs, ur fat and gay sorry!(u are right but fukkit)
my current sup stack and basic diet plan:
5 drips Tocovit + quarter cynomel + 750mg aspirin on waking
salted OJ and sweet coffee in the AM, maybe a scoop of honey or marmalade depending on my appetite
Fast 3-7
PM is some gelatinous broth (pig neck, feet, kale, onion and garlic+skins)
carrot salad or mushrooms, sometimes both, almost always one or the other
another quarter cynooo
24oz 1% milky with 2g of eggshell powder for extra PTH crushage
30g raw liva
12mg K2, 10k IU D3, 1mg cypro before bed.Looksmaxxing bonesmasher peat stack? risky cuz too much D? give me awesome shredmax tips and thoughts KISSES
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@samson I assume you already know what your three options are to lose weight: cut calories or find a diet that allows you to burn more calories than expended or try to find a magic supplement that makes a lean person drop 10lbs of fat
And the reason you made this post instead of doing of these things is because engaging in either of these three activities are problematic for you.
The issue with Option 1: cutting calories
You seem to be eating very little calories to begin with and your diet mainly consists of liquids. Therefore you risk lowering your metabolic rate to too low levels and you will be very hungry all the time, as you are only drinking liquids.
The issue Option 2: the honey diet
As you said your weight plateaus on the honey diet
The issue with Option 3: trying to find a supplement or medication that makes you lose weight.
Well, unfortunately there are few substances that exist that are proven to do this in humans, most of which are very stressful to the body and will increase appetite.
To lose 10lbs, let’s say you need to increase your caloric expenditure by 10% each day. You could easily achieve this by clenbuterol or very high dose caffeine (600mg) and aspirin (2g) and nicotine (12-25mg)
Well, if you proceed to this you will be a wreck - say good by to your mental health. You will be stressed, tired and anxious all day.
And you will be very very hungry.
But don’t worry, I propose a solution. Do all three of these things, but to lesser extents.
Try to eat a little less on the honey diet and try something to raise the metabolic rate like a nicotine patch (25mg nicotine patch raises metabolic rate by 7% and is very tolerable), and a bit more coffee and aspirin. And maybe even more T3.
Not being an ideal body fat is a metabolic issue; you are not burning enough calories compared to what you are eating / you are converting too much energy into fat. But that doesn’t mean you can fix an undesirable body fat via increasing caloric expenditure - very few substances can do this and most are awful.
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@alfredoolivas or even eating more solid foods will allow you to be more full and this will make lowering calories even easier
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@alfredoolivas honestly the cals aren't super low, considering I'm eating like 1500 calories of sugar before 3. usually ends up being around 2200-2500 by the end of the day, which feels pretty reasonable for weight loss honestly (esp at lower bf percentage)
edit!! forgot that ill have around 80g of parm reg at night/8oz lean meat, so not anorexia tier yet lolz
also been finding pickles to be very invaluable, my cruchy salty cravings are way higher than my sweets cravings eating like this, despite adding salt generously to all my foods.
I was considering adding more T3 but the issue is timing. i can't have it too late in the afternoon or I'll be hypo by 7, and I have similar concerns with dropping blood sugar too low if I have some right before bed. Maybe increase dosage and keep it to twice a day? Start nibbling?
I'm probably getting around or above 600mg caffeine, and def some nicotine in there aswell, prob not 25mg tho. I drink lots of sweet coffee, and I will smoke the occasional dart, but I've got some patches I might implement at the end to really push that bf lower if necessary.
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@samson Alright bro I'm gonna give you the stack that will actually work.
- Pharmacological aids
DAILY - start with 40 mcg clen split 20mcg doses. When fat loss stalls, up to 60 mcg daily. Keep on that daily dose until fat loss stalls, then up by 20mcg, etc, ... you should not exceed 80 mcg total in a day.
OR
E+C stack. Start with 12.5 mg Ephedrine + 200 mg caffeine to assess tolerance. Can ramp up to 20 mg Ephedrine + 200 mg caffeine 2-3x daily. KEEP AN EYE ON BP and HR. Ephedrine is more risky than clen generally. But it is available OTC in US as Primatene. Primatene is HCL salt wheras the other brand Brokaid is suplhate. HCL is generally better.
If you want you can try to experiment with t2 (3,5 diiodo-L-Thyronine). Animal studies are very promising, and it's available in mainstream supplements. However, by my extrapolation from animal literature they are all underdosed. HED should be 1-3 mg per day for most men, or more precisely 16-40 mcg/kg BW. If you need a source for the t2 PM me.
- Cardio
You need to be doing cardio. Period. It is the third leg of the fat loss stool, the other two being drugs and calorie deficit. Alternating between high intensity like sprints, uphill sprints, stair running, jump rope, burpees, and low-intensity steady state is the most sustainable IMO. Obviously if you're training legs like a bodybuilder, you won't be able to do the high intensity stuff because your legs will more or less constantly be sore from bodybuilding style leg training (or at least they should be). I would do (and have done in the past) 2-3 days/week of high intensity like sprints or stair running or high intensity stair master, and 2-3 days/week of low intensity walking for a couple hours, or the equivalent of 500 or so calories burned. Feel free to ask about specifics if you're interested.
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just eat sugars with minimal starch and zero added fat and zero added protein
ive been on this for 30 days
I even binged on pasta a few times and have eaten quite a bit of potato and rice and still lost weight
plus you will become less gay and less identifying with incel looksmax subculture
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@eduardo-crispino Zero added protein? Do you know anything about maintaining protein synthesis? Low protein diets while dieting will make you lose muscle.
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Fuckin EZ. Sugar diet.
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Carbs are protein sparing and insulin sensitivity means you will be primed from muscle gain. Short term, added protein is not necessary.
I would suggest added creatine for keeping muscle though.
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@Zachs Where is the proof of any of that? Show me the bodybuilder who cut on 50 grams of protein per day and kept all his muscle. Where is the evidence that adding creatine to a 50g protein diet preserves muscle? Recent study showed creatine doesn't do much for muscle gain, as expected.
Why would your advice be something that is completely experimental? Experimental is fine for an experiment, not for someone who is looking to retain muscle.
I'm sorry but the sugar diet (low protein low fat high carb) is a fad. There is no evidence that it works for preserving muscle mass. Even the most radical followers of this fad suggest eating a high protein meal in the afternoon (100 grams of protein alone in that meal)
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First, i am not interested in what bodybuilders do during cuts. Bodybuilding in itself is detrimental to health and most likely bodybuilders would feel much better with a reduction of muscle!
Im talking about in a surplus of metabolic energy, the protein requirements become very little. Nitrogen balance is evidence that supports this. You CAN lose fat while taking in a “surplus” of energy. CICO is complete bullshit and i have proved it in myself and have seen others do the same.
Metabolism is what counts, not CICO, not protein. Optimization of metabolism and hormones will create an anabolic enviornment unlike anything else short of steroids.
Call it a fad if you like but have you actually done it? Have you seen results for yourself and put it to the test. If not, you are just hypothesizing with the rest of them.
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@jamezb46 the last statement is incorrect about the most radical people eating 100g protein per day . sugar fasting (sugar diet name is incorrect) is not honey diet
sugar fasting is where someone eats only sucrose foods to achieve their goal weight and can refeed on low fat protein foods OR can eat normal fatty meats at a frequency depending on their leanness
cole says it was incorrect to label it as sugar diet as it is sugar FASTING. its fasting with sucrose. which is optimal compared to fasting with zero calories.
he also says the ideal diet is then low fat normal protein high carb but since most people are eating fatty foods they can just go back to sugar fasting in whatever frequency to maintain their leanness
OP says they plan to get lean for summer which is basically now, they dont have 6 months to a year to go slow
sugar fasting is the optimal way for his situation
honey diet has no results because its pretty much a normal diet
ive lost like 15-20lb in a month without trying hard and not even doing it correctly (eating starches)
im eating NORMAL tomorrow at a party and then going back to sugar FASTING with straight sucrose foods for another 30 days. and then adding in lean proteins. or maybe ill just do 7 or 14 days and then a refeed and then go again until
desired leanness. when i then eat normal fatty foods i will just hop back on sucrose FASTING to get back to leanness and then add back in lean proteins.
once my desired leanness is achieved ill optimally stick to a low fat normal protein high carb diet but when i eat fatty foods i can just sugar FAST for a day or two or three to get back to / maintain the leannessits optimal way of fasting / managing weight
its not a diet to stay on straight sucrose forever
it has way faster progress than normal dieting and removing protein doesnt result in much if any muscle loss if sugar is kept highi know multiple people doing it and i know a cyclist who got auschwitz skinny on it . it will probably work fine for bodybuilding too. bodybuilders can maintain a low fat normal protein high carb diet anyways. OP is asking how to lose fat fast not for a normal diet plan
protein is probably a psyop at the amounts people think needed for good muscles
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I pretty much whole heartedly agree except i wouldnt say you need to fast to do this as the mechanism for fat loss is not calorie restriction and therefor you could literally feast on sugar and still lose fat.
The specific Cole sugar fast will work amazing for rapid fat loss and will indeed spare muscle. BUT as long as the diet is zero fat and lower protein (60-90g) a day, rapid fat loss can be achieved while still in a “surplus” of calories (2000-4000+)surplus is relative of course as metabolism raises with intake.
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@Zachs sugar fasting = eating only sucrose foods. not fasting FROM sugar. sugar fasting means only eating sugar. sugar fasting (eating only sugar) is optimal compared to zero calorie (eat nothing) fasting for weightloss because people can go way longer, it's less stressful, and im pretty sure just restricting protein gives similar autophagy effect if thats what people are going for
ok so what you said in the latter, low fat normal protein, that's what I intend to do as a normal diet when im my desired leanness. and then if I have a blowout day at the Costco food court or the bbq house or something, I can go back to sugar fasting for a couple days or whatever to maintain the leanness. and its easy. 2-3 days on straight sucrose is easy and fun. drinking juice and pop and eating jam and fruit and candy etc.
someone could achieve a similar result on FAT fasting but who wants to drink oil and eat lard ???? that's disgusting.
ive done all the diets. high protein no fat no carbs is not palatable and energy sucks. I did get ripped on it though. high fat zero carb is absolutely disgusting . zero calorie sucks (ive done 9 days on just salt water) and is extremely stressful. carb only is barely in the same league of toughness, in fact it isn't tough at all. the only cravings ive had have been for starches.
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Sorry you misunderstood me, i agreed with you about sugar fasting but just disagreed calling it a fast in general as fasting means no or low calorie diet but that is not necessary when eating only sugar, calories can be as high as you want.
My take on it is the zero fat diet, as long as the diet is ZERO fat and low protein, carbs can be from any source and as much as you like and you will lose fat because the mechanism for fat loss is not calorie restriction, its increased metabolism and liberation of fat stores for bodily processes.
Were talking the same diet basically but slightly different approaches.
And no a fat fast would not work the same, eating only fat would take metabolism and you would end up storing fat on like 1600 cals after awhile.
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@Zachs ok cool. yes there is no calorie restriction on straight sucrose. can eat as much as someone wants. nobody is out-eating a pure sucrose diet.
and yes my plan for a normal diet is low fat high carb and whatever protein is required. which isn't even hard or un-palatable to do. and fat foods on occasion. the sugar only diet allows someone to enjoy all foods as the sugar only diet "block" are the tool to achieve and maintain leanness. and eating candy and sodas and fruits is fun.
the foods I crave the most anyways are pasta and rice and potatoes and occasionally ill get the desire to eat some fatty dairy or meats. There is a BBQ place here that does all sorts of BBQ foods with cornbreads and beans and etc. when I go on a giga-binge there with full fat ice cream after and probably some pie too, I can just do a 1-2 day sugar "block" after to negate the potential weight gain.
other than that my other favourite food is rotisserie chickens and rice and veg.
eating a "peaty" diet with lots of saturated fats just got me fat. and the idea of never being able to binge on fatty foods sounds like a bad time. I really like binging sometimes. ive also convinced myself that a sugar diet block after eating a PUFA food like fatty pork will negate the downsides . avoiding pork and chicken with the skin on due to PUFA avoidance has been annoying. Jerk chicken thighs with the skin on are some of the best food ever. when I was lean I ate way more PUFA than I do now (now being fat with PUFA avoidance) and my health wasn't worse for it. I dont think PUFA is that bad for super lean people with good metabolisms. I have no science to back this up and I dont care because this is what im believing and rationalizing. im not going to continue restricting this stuff.
like, I remember being in daily euphoria and creativity with amazing skin and hair quality , eating organic avocados and they taste so good. and then I learned that ray said avocados are "carcinogenic". and I haven't had one since. like come on man. it's an avocado. I like guacamole. come on. I was lean as F then too and having fun in the gym and walking a lot.
mostly all that matters is getting lean and that has way more health benefits than being a fatty and being a top tier peater. and with the skills from peating one can be lean and not dip into excess stress. I fell for the rpf forum "IM HEAAAALING" bullshit. just getting lean is one of the most important things for HEEEAAAALING there is.
this has been my tedx talk
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potential question for next video:
what do you think is better as a carb source in the normal protein high carb diet :
fruit + honey with lean meat
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starch with lean meat
or are both good in their own ways ?
seems like fruit + honey etc goes better by itself without lean meat. perhaps with low fat milk.
whereas starch goes better with the meat in a meal together.
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Actually one if the things i hypothesized from my original zero fat experiment is i think i gave myself an EFA deficiency. I know most believe this simply cant happen as there are tiny amounts of fat in all foods but also i had ramped my metabolism by purposely over eating carbs and that mean utilizing more EFA for cell turnover and other processes.
One thing i disagreed with RP about is that all PUFA is inherently toxic. EFAs are absolutely necessary for good health and specifically LA/ALA when eaten in whole foods and non toxic oils will help with health.
So yea i agree, especially with a pufa depleting diet, refeed of pufa rich foods is a good thing.
Its constant consumption of toxic seed oils that causes disease. Humans have been eating pigs and chicken and whatnot forever.
And ill make a YT short on your question.
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@Zachs guy on reddit sub says he gave himself and his family efa deficiency also
