Best Soccer player in history was hypothyroid
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R9 Ronaldo Nazário is considered by many the best soccer player in history. His only limiter were many injuries and his extreme lack of discipline (he was also known to wear diapers during games to cope with laxative medication he was given).
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He was known for his amazing 1v1 skills, decision making, reaction speed, abilities, game intelligence, etc.
How is such stuff possible if we consider health, thyroid health, microbiome stability, and general crystallized knowledge (relating to the skill) as the main cause for exceptional abilities?
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@lobotomize-me maybe he woulda been even better/happier/more satisfied in personal life outside of soccer if he wasn't wearing diapers and hypo
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Well, he did gain weight after his career was over. And he got diagnosed at 30, so we can’t say when it started.
You also have to realise that profesional athletes have elite genetics compared to regular folks, and at ages 17-28, even having some degree if hypothyroidism, he was at the top. -
@eduardo-crispino I am purely discussing his soccer abilities, compared to other healthier more disciplined players
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@NoeticJuice As I mentioned above in the post, he did have a huge lack of discipline, which led him to train a lot less than others
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@lobotomize-me what are the metrics you want to use for comparison here exactly and how exactly would you compare? I don't think it's possible to definitely answer this question...
A few things to speculate on though...there is probably a lot to be said for youth training/ intellectual ability for the task.
Ronaldo may have been undisciplined because he just had the gift of reading body language/the game when it came to the sport, he may not have been the quickest but instead may have just been able to see things before anyone else, giving him an advantage no one else had and therefore giving him less reason to train consistently.It's also worth noting that he played in one of the greatest national teams the sport has ever seen and football is very much a team game, Ronaldo isn't scoring shit without a solid midfield.
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Yeah Maradona was great no doubt, but did not appear hypo in any way
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Cortisol is a hell of a drug…
But seriously, cortisol and adrenaline can move and direct the human body in ways that are superhuman. If you run primarily on them, you have at least the potential to be a decent athlete.
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@16charactersitis I don’t want to speak ill of anyone, (especially the deceased). If you look at the Wikipedia pages for individual athletes, be sure to check out the “personal life” section. This section seems to be a good place to look for symptoms of hypothyroidism.
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@DKJoeAgain the team and coach matter alot
i play soccer well with a good coach who kept us motivated to attend practice and improve our skills
when he retired and another guy took over the entire team did bad in comparison and i didnt practice as much because practices seemed pointless to attend , in fact at one point the coach realized nobody was showing up anymore and practices cancelled, and the energy was bad, this was all house league
the good coach is professional coach the one after just did it because nobody else was there to do it
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@DKJoeAgain He was the best in almost every metric other than assisting (and he may even excel in that metric as well). Still, as humanity and as a community, isn't our goal to create a consistent way of mimicking this so-called "giftedness"?
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@NoeticJuice But as I said, he didn’t have the amount of practice we assume is required, so there must be some other factor that helped him beat and humiliate healthier and more disciplined competition
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I know genetic talk isn't super popular in the Ray Peat sphere, but Ronaldo was a unique player with strengths that you either cannot learn, learn in childhood or can improve - but not to a huge extent. His combination of strength, speed and ball control was pretty unique and he could easily have been the GOAT, if he would have had 80% of the work ethic, motivation and obsession of the other Ronaldo (Cristiano). He also had a great football IQ. Many athletes are dumb as an empty rain barrell in real life, but have very high football/basketball etc. IQ.
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@evan-hinkle every body gets corrupted, every body gets sick at some point. but in their prime very few excel to the point of raising the bar for the rest of us
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@16charactersitis I guess it’s just a matter of preference. I don’t see any positive contribution to society from sport personally, so for me there’s no greatness inspired. To each their own.
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@evan-hinkle how are sports not generally positive
are u one of those bread and circus is le bad niggas
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@eduardo-crispino i guess it’s just not for me. Doesn’t interest me, seems kinda destructive, but like whatever you like.
