Automatic Periodic Archiving of All Topics
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I have to wait for confirmation, but (for some reason) it must be her. Why would Brad or staff members exclude it? The only offensive content that it had was a picture of Stryker sticking out his butt to entice struggling clients.
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Yes, the enthusiast visited the forum and didn't deny. It's similar to her pet quack: authorship without ownership.
Note that the mentions are outside of the deleted thread.The Bioenergetic Forum appeared as a promising alternative to the unstable Ray Peat Forum. Yet, gracious @S-Holmes had just wiped out on a whim what would be equivalent to a 5-page thread of the former forum.
The thread had the participation of different members with parallel discussions and contained compiled information, figures, tables, links, and commentaries that were beyond denouncing a trickster. We have people here and there who found the material valuable, but someone felt entitled to dictate the fate and clear 90 posts by everyone at once, and it's quite mindful with our time and effort.
To mess with the posts of colleagues crosses a line and this was the most reckless move by a member that I have encountered since I started posting on forums. It's the kind of public that self-absorbed charlatans captivate.
@brad, can you recover the posts? Some assurance of content preservation is needed for commitment, we can't count people having self-control.
Strangely, I contacted Stryker on the night of the day before to invite him here. Despite the thread being created a month ago, in less than a day from my contact it was deleted by a devotee for no apparent reason.
Hi.
This is Gustavo, who posts as 'Amazoniac' on the Ray Peat communities.
For years you've been making absurd and unsupported claims that keep being recirculated by newcomers. And you know that I'm far from being alone in the observation.
Before we get to the interpretations, would you mind demonstrating that your cures work with groups of volunteers for each of them, where they document the resolution of their disease on a thread of the 'Bioenergetic Forum'?
But with a condition: if you can't validate the assertions and deliver these cures, you not only start offering book refunds, but you return the money to any dissatisfied buyer to this day who asks for it, you inform all the consulted material at the end of each chapter, and you hire an editor that the community chooses to revise and moderate the misleading statements throughout the entire book.
The consequences of failing would be what respectful authors naturally do for readers and with peers. Conversely, the success represents the recovery of volunteers and the promotion of your services at the same time. Feel free to bring eroticism or profanity: these are nothing next to impressive results. I'm certain that members can put up with them to witness the health conditions of others turn around.
The report of any isolated case (susceptible to selection) that you may have to share is fine, but won't be an acceptable substitute for putting the claims to test with groups, allowing everyone to track their recovery.
The onus is on you to prove a lot to your audience and it's a practical proposal to do it. If you're down to it or have something to comment, you can reach me over there in public or private, it's up to you.
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@Amazoniac said in Automatic Periodic Archiving of All Topics:
The thread had the participation of different members with parallel discussions and contained compiled information, figures, tables, links, and commentaries that were beyond denouncing a trickster. We have people here and there who found the material valuable, but someone felt entitled to dictate the fate and clear 90 posts by everyone at once, and it's quite mindful with our time and effort.
To mess with the posts of colleagues crosses a line and this was the most reckless move by a member that I have encountered since I started posting on forums. It's the kind of public that self-absorbed charlatans captivate.
It was amazing. Please don't be disheartened.
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@Amazoniac said in Automatic Periodic Archiving of All Topics:
@brad, can you recover the posts? Some assurance of content preservation is needed for commitment, we can't count people having self-control.
+1 and 2 @brad. Is it possible?
I'd like to incentivise you in some way sir. When you're able to flog Bloo in Britain I'd buy that up like the wicker chairs in the crappy 90s film Phenomenon.
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@Amazoniac said in Automatic Periodic Archiving of All Topics:
Note that the mentions are outside of the deleted thread.Noted.
@S-Holmes said in New "Mission" of RPF:
tiny tyrant
It probably begins when we dig our fingers in to our ears Ms Holmes. I'm guilty by the way.
'Opposition is true Friendship' - William Blake
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He's quite busy @Amazoniac so it may take some time to even check if it would be possible.
@zawisza do you have a copy for your ML endeavours you could bucket? I'll try and set this up anyway, but it won't cover the past.
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@ThinPicking said in Automatic Periodic Archiving of All Topics:
@zawisza do you have a copy for your ML endeavours you could bucket? I'll try and set this up anyway, but it won't cover the past.
No. I won't be trying any time soon either.
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No problemo. Thanks
Maybe I should email the boys in Maryland or Milton Keynes and ask for theirs. Just kidding.
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@ThinPicking I added a rule so that after 10 posts in a thread, it cannot be deleted by the author. I hope this serves as a reasonable middle ground.
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Anything is fine but...
This is interesting. Why would a thread author not be content simply deleting their own posts, à la twitter. Why give them any opportunity to delete 9 that others may have put considerable effort in to?
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A member went mad and took advantage of a vulnerability that you left in the system, resulting in mass deletion of forum posts. We can't expect anyone to put together a flawless system at once, but you don't seem to have a sense of responsibility in what happened, not even enough to pretend concern for the inconvenient caused.
In the same way, this thread [Edited to add the link.] and the registration efforts put into it could've been liquidated if 'risingfire' freaked out for a moment from excess alcohol or after being bribed by the lion with charcoal, to guarantee combustion for a year. I bet that it would demotivate in case you were actively engaged like some members are, and more so if the space owner reacted with disinterest.
'An entire thread is gone? Oh, well. But I heard that others remain available for your entertainment.'
What about my message made it worth of dismissal? It's difficult to build trust when I can't count on you for a mere reply.
Rather than trying to recover the material as an attentive gesture, you find a "reasonable middle ground" for further deletions. 'Don't worry, it's only 10 posts at mercy per thread now.' Tolerance should be zero to mess with others' posts, as a sign of respect for any kind of contribution. If you don't take the forum seriously, how do you expect members to?
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@Amazoniac I don't find your comment sensible. He clearly have put a lot of effort in running this forum already. If you truly cared about these threads you would have archived them yourself instead of relying on someone else.
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@zawisza said in Automatic Periodic Archiving of All Topics:
@Amazoniac I don't find your comment sensible.
It reads amusingly (thank you Gus) and does contain a valid inquisition.
But I don't mean to be antagonistic here @zawisza. As you probably know. I'm annoyingly humorous myself. As I try to stuff my brain and heart between any faux dividing line I can find. And figure out what's really pissing us off. Minor conflict avoidance or deference and its derivatives seems a component, particularly in the context of energy deficit. But if I'm mistaken. We're going to help eachother figure it out. Whether we like it or not. And if not you then him, and if not me then he. We can be individual without being deranged enough to believe we're pivotal.
Now @Amazoniac. Need I remind you. Nothing you do in life really requires earthly record, and sure shit not the eyes or endorsement of man. It's quite literally for the birds. The ether. The neutrino sea. And the only one who knows. None of us can really account for our distortions, but for the compulsions they come from. You've appended Mr Hatch, acetate and etc with a question mark that ripples. Whether anyone loses their shit and scrubs the deck or not.
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It was not an impulsive or gratuitous comment. It's because of thinking twice before criticisms that I rarely regret them.
You know who else put a lot of effort into running a forum? The lion. Monumental dedication for a decade, and this is not sarcasm. We're dealing with different matters, that have to be separated.
I already expressed my gratitude for his effort in making this forum operational, but being demanding would be one more reason for him to take the project seriously.
Did Brad..
- ..give a damn about data loss in his trust? No.
- ..appear to value the time and effort of members? No.
- ..feel accountable for his negligence? No.
- ..show a remote concern for the inconvenient caused? No.
- ..reach out to everyone involved to communicate? No.
- ..try to recover the posts? No.
- ..bother to reply to a contact? No.
- ..properly correct to prevent recurrences? No.
- ..blame internal issues on an Internet Archive deficiency? Maybe.
But never mind, the lady already succeeded in her feat.
Mister @ThinPicking, I appreciate your support.
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@Amazoniac said in Automatic Periodic Archiving of All Topics:
Did Brad..
There's always context. And an environment like this very noisy. Read one, and probably compulsion to read all. Understand one, and probably compulsion to understand all. We're just running at different clock speeds right now. Us three, and the administrator.
A new little angel hath arrived in the world recently. The aforementioned their custodian, teacher and love. His heart is elsewhere and must be.
I suspect it would pain them to mention it. As they appear to aim to please, for what appears to be all the right reasons.
A little time. He'll come back. And maybe shorten that rule down to one post. Still leaving an OP with the ability to scrub their own speech. Or share his reasoning.
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Let's say that the admin had the most chaotic week of his life. If he could respond to a nearby comment and modify forum settings, how difficult it would have been to write:
"Hey, man. I can't look into any of this at the moment, but will do when possible."
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@Amazoniac not sure how long these links will work but I was able to find the thread here
Page 4
Page 5
For some reason I can’t get Page 2.
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How kind of you to go out of your way for this?!
Of all the pages that they could skip, they jump the one with the main responses.
Still, it's a remarkable save. Many thanks.
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As @ThinPicking alluded to, I welcomed a newborn into this world last week and along with my business and other personal matters have been pressed for time. In general, I try to be as non-authoritarian as possible in running this forum. I would hope in general we can find ways to work out our differences in an amicable way without trying to invoke my authority by proxy.
I do think the fairest solution to this particular matter would be to restore the thread and take out the author’s posts or any quoted posts that refer to them. When I have some free time, I can do so.
As a general rule, you shouldn’t trust anything on the internet will last. I could become evil or go insane (like the RPF admins before me, for reasons that I’m beginning to appreciate) at any time. If you want to ensure something is preserved, preserve it yourself.
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@brad, read my previous message where I pointed out a considerate thing to do, that would only take a few seconds of your time already here. Everyone will be going through something. You're in a position of a leader and now answers for a community. If for whatever reason you can't take care of the forum for a while, it's understandable, delegate it to someone of trust (the smoking duck, for example) or at least communicate to members the impossibility in advance.
ilovethesea recovered a good deal of the deleted thread. If you can return the rest, nice. But the issue is beyond an incident of mass content exclusion.
Forum owners have to take content preservation seriously because you're curators in essence. And there's no acceptable leeway to messing with a single post of another member. I'm surprised how you didn't perceive this gross vulnerability as a threat to a resource that you cherish, compelling you to lower the tolerance to null to prevent recurrences, until you can discuss with the group what's best to do.
My heart is into this forum and you can count on me to preserve its content. On the first signs of becoming evil or going insane, I would transfer the ownership to someone else that can carry our project on.
This is the kind of passion that inspires members to commit, not the casual, nonchalant attitude.
I don't create a forum for being unsure if I would be qualified to, before you tell me to create one.
Anyway, I'm not trying to test your limits. In fact, I've been putting all of our disagreements aside since joining to cooperate on this project. Observe that I continued to post elsewhere in spite of having my messages completely brushed off. Even now, you couldn't be direct about it. It's complicated.
