New "Mission" of RPF
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FWIW it doesn't show in the screenshot there but in the full Tweet, Fave was being snarky/antagonistic. He started it with by saying:
Hey "Detective"Hence, the "Mike Fave" in quotation marks.
Shame because I'd like to see an actual productive conversation on Low-A vs. Bioenergetic perspectives on what both are seeing. Most of the conversation I see on it is antagonistic (going in both directions).
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@jjk_learning I watched Mike's low A videocast in entirety. He was professional and did not antagonize, at all. I then saw some responses to his video by Mr. Smith. I'm quite certain the "nutrition detective" drew first blood. He is not a professional. (Maybe a professional shyster?)
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@S-Holmes I saw Fave's full video too, and thought it was good. Like you said, professional and not antagonistic. I enjoyed the video and was hopeful for some good conversation based on that. I didn't see Smith's response to the video so I can't comment on that.
Fave's Tweet (and his Twitter bio) is antagonistic though.
Hopefully at some point they can drop the hostilities and have a respectful conversation about these topics; I think it would be good for lurkers like me to learn from.
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@S-Holmes said in New "Mission" of RPF:
@jjk_learning I watched Mike's low A videocast in entirety. He was professional and did not antagonize, at all. I then saw some responses to his video by Mr. Smith. I'm quite certain the "nutrition detective" drew first blood. He is not a professional. (Maybe a professional shyster?)
Correct. And there are myriad instances on Twitter of people trying to communicate with him without the (very minor and frankly comedic) slight. Whereupon they got slighted and blocked anyway.
Something's got to give. But I've no idea what and appear to lack the time.
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@jjk_learning said in New "Mission" of RPF:
Hopefully at some point they can drop the hostilities and have a respectful conversation about these topics; I think it would be good for lurkers like me to learn from.
Smith can't let that happen, there are certain aspects he can't or won't just explain away, at least that part is transparent enough. Things are now at the point where those who know better are simply toying with him.
But if you're interested in learning then that takes time, and in the meantime you can sit back and enjoy this show, as it plays itself out.
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@BioEclectic What are some of the aspects he can't/won't explain?
I'm new to the low-A concepts. I'm more familiar with RP/bioenergetic ideas though I certainly don't have a full grasp -
https://twitter.com/search?q=%40nutridetect bye&src=typed_query&f=live
Follow the yellow brick road.
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Another coincidental nine nine nine.
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@jjk_learning Well, I mean, the guy calls himself the nutrition detective. He kinda brought that on himself, lol. I don't think it's inappropriate or even snarky to use that vernacular especially when you're putting out highly controversial ideas that the science disagrees with you on. I, too, would also like the "detective" to enlighten me. Apparently vitamin A deficiency grants immediate & permanent access to the Akashic records, we need the messiah Garrett to impart this wisdom upon us.
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@ThinPicking Yeah it looks like he blocks a lot and often uses an offputting approach. I'm trying to get to the root of the disagreement though. Beyond all the back-and-forth vitriol, it is hard to find substantial discussions of the idea that Vitamin A is harmful/beneficial. It all goes ad hominem and never reaches actual discussion. BioEclectic mentioned that there are aspects that Smith can't/doesn't explain. I'm trying to hear what those are.
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You can go through that and find a litany of reasonable inquiry that he's refusing to respond to.
And that is the point.
There was some excellent retort from the gent behind this account as well. He's MIA now but you can take inference from the responses.
https://twitter.com/search?q=%40nutridetect %40bilbobookends&src=typed_query&f=live
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@AkJono said in New "Mission" of RPF:
Wow, deal offer for the RPF name, but no dice says the lion.
I know Charlie reads this thread, so I want to ask him, what exactly does he think gives him the right to profit off of Peat's name while constantly insulting him and banning anyone who agrees with or defends his theories? What a pathetic man.
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@ThinPicking I see a lot of those responses. It seems like those people (Goeddeke, Williford) are discussing what Bilbo is bringing up. Hard to tell for sure without his account/tweets active. But that seems like a decent legit discussion, which is good to see.
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@ThinPicking
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I can't see it any other way.
I continue to find motivations to change the narrative, including a recent dis of concerns about Bill Gates-linked chemtrails from solar engineering projects. These guys are pretending to be anti-Gates and anti big pharma, all the while promoting narratives that benefit them. The particularly annoying thing is that they try to mimic Peat's style of uncovering the truth, but they are using it without evidence it to promote a counter-argument to facts that are inconvenient to the powers that be, and even mixing in some truths from Peat's work. I find it to be intentionally misleading.
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Because the goal is character-assassination under the guise of promoting his work. The mischaracterizarions of his work seem intentional. The banning of longtime members (not to mention the exclusion of Russian, and possibly other, IP's) serves the purpose of giving the illusion of consensus, where only 'miraculous recovery' from the 'toxic Ray Peat diet' stories are heard. My only question is whether this was the intended goal of the RPF from the beginning or whether something changed along the way.
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@C-Mex
You have some stamina mate, I can't be 'in the RPF' more than a few minutes to get some review info. Those bright orange boxes highlighting TOXIC are just too much and too many. Thanks for bring this to light, seems this kind of 'conversion' of existing groups/forums online, and in real life, - out here in the world - is happening more frequently now. How many employees does the DS employ?! Sheesh... . -
@C-Mex
They are/have been definitely assassinating Ray's character, as well as blaming Ray for their own misinterpretation of Ray's bio-energetic orientation, and then their supposed sickness or depleted health, and then they have an eventual recovery through the miracle of 'Exorcism', ie- of Vitamin A.
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Actually I don't read there anymore, but I'm sure it is more of what I read a couple of weeks ago. I've taken to occasionally visit the tweets of Garrett and Thor to see what little 'truisms' they are posting, and I can almost always spot a hidden agenda. I'm even thinking some or most of these posts are automated -- AI.
Just to add:
I just wondered how much of that "misinterpretation" or Dr. Peat's work was facilitated by some members of the RPF over the years? I remember sending a link to my brother from the RPF about a problem he was having and at that time I looked at the Forum and saw all kinds of crazy-looking topics and wondered what my brother --unfamiliar with Peat -- was going to make of it if he ventured outside of the topic I sent him.
I also don't think that these 'people' are confined to the RPF and X. Sorry, not trying to cause paranoia but I think this is a realistic view.
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@Amazoniac He’s taken the entire site off the wayback machine. Stolen all our content, banned us from accessing it, and now we can’t even look up prior versions. Unbelievable!
