New "Mission" of RPF
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The messiah complex is a mental state in which a person believes they are a messiah or prophet and will save or redeem people in a religious endeavour. The term can also refer to a state of mind in which an individual believes that they are responsible for saving or assisting others.
The term "messiah complex" is not addressed in the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM), as it is not a clinical term nor diagnosable disorder. However, the symptoms as a proposed disorder closely resemble those found in individuals with delusions of grandeur or with grandiose self-images that veer towards the delusional. An account specifically identified it as a category of religious delusion, which pertains to strong fixed beliefs that cause distress or disability. It is the type of religious delusion that is classified as grandiose while the other two categories are: persecutory and belittled’.
In terms of the attitude wherein an individual sees themselves as having to save another or a group of poor people, there is the notion that the action inflates their own sense of importance and discounts the skills and abilities of the people they are helping to improve their own lives.
The messiah complex is most often reported in patients with bipolar disorder and schizophrenia When a messiah complex is manifested within a religious individual after a visit to Jerusalem, it may be identified as a psychosis known as Jerusalem syndrome.
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@Regina You're welcome. Thanks for standing up to charlie (and that includes many former ROF members here). My regret is I got banned earlier (September last year) so I didn't get the purple heart sendoff you all did.
In an email exchange I had with Ray, I was surprised that he didn't know much about RPF, and when I broached the subject of the "Ray Peat" diet, he was quick to say there is no such diet. I only brought that subject up because I wanted to ask him if he could spare the time to write about how to make someone transform from poor sugar metabolism to spanking good.
It was revealing that Ray Peat never recognized nor endorsed RPF. I thought it strange Ray would do some podcasts with Gyorgi and with Danny, but Charlie was never acknowledged afaik. Now I think I know why. Ray, I suspect, knew something if only by gut feel and he must go by the adage that if you had nothing pleasant to say about someone, it is best to stay mum. I was late to the party.
Temporal thinking is the faculty that’s
engaged by an enriched environment, but it’s
wrong to call it “thinking,” because it’s simply
the way organisms exist... - Ray Peat Nov 2017 Newsletter -
Timpone once asked him in an interview about something he read (quote) "on your forum". Peat didn't respond to "your forum", but maybe he just didn't get it acoustically.
If Timpone thought it was "his" forum, he probably wasn't the only one. That's why I fear that Charlie and his disciples are now dragging Ray's name into the mud with them.
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@yerrag Wow thanks for all the information that we have all had for ages! So interesting... I love being educated!
Also, you were actually emailing Ray asking him about the 'Ray Peat' diet??
you should go to jail
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@yerrag Hey yerrag glad you are here. When I saw your last posts on RPF I feared the worst, but you got banned, along with many others, wear it as a badge of honour though, that forum is getting 'real' crazy. I got banned some Years back for telling a joke about Elton John, go figure
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@ilovethesea
I just saw this post last night... referring to Dr. Mercola on RPF:
https://web.archive.org/web/20210623203759/https://www.waronwethepeople.com/sex-drugs-internet-fraud-the-secret-life-of-erin-elizabeth-finn-and-dr-joseph-mercola/Thanks for those links... interesting to say the least. Also I found this last night, on Mathew Crawford's substack....
https://roundingtheearth.substack.com/p/mercolas-psychic-friends-network
Also interesting to read. He has some direct early knowledge and experience of cults/psyops.Also great to see ya'll here!
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I have at least two if not three bowel movements daily and I consume all of those forbidden items on that weird list.
So does my hubby. I am sure we are not the exceptions.
I left rpf because I couldn't 'stomach' it any more. I prefer to maintain the freedom to think for myself. -
@CO3 I love your sarcasm
at least you still retain a bit of that despite being wrecked by SAD all these years.
Temporal thinking is the faculty that’s
engaged by an enriched environment, but it’s
wrong to call it “thinking,” because it’s simply
the way organisms exist... - Ray Peat Nov 2017 Newsletter -
@yerrag I live in Spain retard
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@Not_James_Bond
Oh, so you were banned, and I wondered about where you went. The worst fears I had gladly weren't realized. Glad to see you. I wanted to say hi, but I've been low energy lately and do more putting things off than doing lately. My being on bp medication lately had to do with it as I continue to recover from my heart failure incident. It's a bitter pill to swallow but I'm working to wean myself from them still. Solving high bp that is outside metabolic causes is a solo flight, and one bioenergetics is ill-suited to address.
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@CO3 Still have the symptoms of SAD
Sad for Spain and its inhabitants but happy for you
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@yerrag Well, Ray Peat Right Again! He was prescient about where the RPF would go. And it had to run its course to its miserable conclusion.
Well yeah, I stood up to him. I don't know why everybody didn't put him in a corner and pee on him. (figuratively)
I'd like to beat him up. Sorry. He brings out my irish.I am not surprised about him doing podcasts with Georgi and Danny. He was always able to sort through and discern value.
I miss those synergystic times. Priceless!
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Aside from the mental illness angle, does anyone else suspect there may be some monetary motivations behind all of this?
Someone had posted a screenshot of Garrett's twitter, where he had in turn posted a screen shot of RPF with all the yellow 'low toxin' buttons overwhelming the page and made a comment to the extent of "Low VA theory, infecting the Ray Peat Forum!"
Could Charlie have some sort of "deal" with Garrett in an attempt to spread his rhetoric? Ultimately landing folks on Garrett's doorstep, cuz after all, doesn't he charge for consultation, advice, membership?
It's so bizarre because you have this core group of maybe less than 6-8 peeps who are constantly running this stuff all over the forum. Even Charlie will comment in on another thread that has nothing to do with VA, but will chime in anyways about low VA being the cure for 'literally' everything!
And that's another thing that just grinds my gears!
No one sounds more unintelligent than a dimwit using the word literally as an intensifier! There is plenty of debate here, apologies if you do that, but please stop! Unfortunately it is all too common in the English language, but it is incorrect! Sue me!
Charlie and ChristAlone use that word constantly in their low VA droppings. Are they related? Married? I feel like there is some sort of connection there. Maybe just the same person?
"Literally, because of Garrett Smith and the Low A community, I have literally learned that toxic bile theory is literally the key to health, and a low VA diet cures literally everything!... Literally!"
Anyways, everything seemed to happen quite suddenly, gotta be something more to it. I had a friend who did lots of dietary restrictions, vegan, fastings, questionable substances as well, and now his mental state is wildly different in personality, beliefs, etc.
Oh well! Rant over for now.
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@Luke said in New "Mission" of RPF:
Timpone once asked him in an interview about something he read (quote) "on your forum". Peat didn't respond to "your forum", but maybe he just didn't get it acoustically.
If Timpone thought it was "his" forum, he probably wasn't the only one. That's why I fear that Charlie and his disciples are now dragging Ray's name into the mud with them.
Yes, it seemed that Ray was too busy keeping up with researching and writing his newsletter. His mojo would be wrecked dealing with just one annoyance for to start with one he may be inclined to deal with all and as it were, he found it necessary to reduce his newsletter writing output in his last years from every 2 months to every quarter.
For me, his last newsletters had a different direction to it. He was more into connecting the dots of his previous research and newsletters, rather than to dig new sources for material, as that is very taxing in his age. I was able to see that at work as I had less connecting of dots to do. I wished he had stayed longer, as I think connecting the dots is a more personally rewarding activity.
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@Regina said in New "Mission" of RPF:
@yerrag Well, Ray Peat Right Again! He was prescient about where the RPF would go. And it had to run its course to its miserable conclusion.
Well yeah, I stood up to him. I don't know why everybody didn't put him in a corner and pee on him. (figuratively)
I'd like to beat him up. Sorry. He brings out my irish.I am not surprised about him doing podcasts with Georgi and Danny. He was always able to sort through and discern value.
I miss those synergystic times. Priceless!
Yeah. I miss especially being able to write him and ask him why, in his latest newsletter at the time, he would state a certain cause and effect relationship exists. As he often leaves the why hanging. But he would answer it (sometimes I will ask someone else to ask if he doesn't answer me back). I can understand why he does that. There are many reasons. But I think he does that mainly to tease our minds and to make us think. And as a good teacher, he likes to develop that in his students. Maybe like a true guru would. But I always fail that and had to write him. Now that he's gone, I feel orphaned.
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@yerrag Orphaned.
Exactly!A ronin.
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@AkJono This is what they all do... start off speaking some sense and then gradually go off the deep end dragging you with them. He’s being paid to deliberately make the alternative health movement look insane.
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@Peoples I def think he has multiple accounts but Christalone is someone else, she used to post as Sugarbabe and was there since the beginning. She never used to be under this religious delusion either.
I think someone is incentivizing him but not Garrett, it seems more sinister than that and it’s tied into his messiah complex instead of purely for monetary gain. Garrett is probably being paid by the same entity.
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@Peoples I think there is definitely a financial aspect to it. Ray is dead and there is no authority to challenge them so the toxic bile crew infects (his wording) a substantial outlet of information with a healthy user base. The move was so sudden and so swift that it does make me think that it was planned and coordinated. The accounts that came up out of the woodwork and the barrage of bans during the 2-3 day push a few weeks ago were awfully suspicious. From what I understand charlie is in major financial trouble and Garret has the physiognomy of a con man, so the pairing was natural.
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@sphenoid @ilovethesea
Yes some days back I said to my wife re Lion at RPF that he was a timed-release deep state agent!
I was not only 1/2 joking. Then someone posted there the same sentiment. Can't fool all the people.Also of some interest is that I checked in 2 or 3 days ago, in the morning here in Aus, and signed in to RPF, and when on a thread that the lion was on, a number of Toxic-Bile Acolytes
had the words "Gifted Membership" below their names to the left of Thread by the date of their inception. Hmmmm. Gifted by whom? Bill and Melinda G Foundation? It disappeared a few hours later. Strange days indeed.To zoom out a bit : this is happening in many groups lately, both virtual and physical, and it seems that either the leader or 'bosses' go crazy in a different direction, Or it gets into some (real or imagined) scandal, be it financial or xxx, etc. . , or just the usual woke climate change,LGBTQ+ type orientation, which leads to nowhere.
