New "Mission" of RPF
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@oldchem I'm feeling that perhaps I should treat the administratorship like The Ring in LOTR...Toss it to the bottom of a volcano before it possesses me.
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@oldchem nopes, they just seem to be alt right racists and twitter opportunist scumbags now. Just seems like the other extreme to me, and i know Peat said he doesn't care how his message gets out there as long as it does(paraphrasing)i think he would throw pause at racists giving the fact he was vehemently opposed to the idea of eugenics, and i don't recall him ever explicitly claiming it or otherwise, but his rants on infrastructures and governments on Roddy's podcast gave the impression he's a progressive to me, though that assessment might be inaccurate as i've never really cared for politics in general.
Was pretty baffled when i came back to the RPF forum since leaving it in about 2015 to find that was kind of the status quo there though. It just snowballed over to social media and breeded retards like that BAP wannabe "SolBrah" etc
I'm not angry about it though..i'm a little too self aware to truly pay heed or give a real shit about any of this turnaround, but as a passive observer who's been aware of the "Peatsphere" since about 2013-14, it's surprising to see how the community has devolved into disparate political ideologies and theism/Christian Fundamentalist bible thumpers. It was a lot more grassroots way back.
Also, i don't ever remember Charlie not being an absolute tool. He was just less present in the early days, but the few times he did make an appearance it was clear to most the kind of person he likely is
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@CurmudgeonApple said in New "Mission" of RPF:
Also, i don't ever remember Charlie not being an absolute tool. He was just less present in the early days, but the few times he did make an appearance it was clear to most the kind of person he likely is
the rpf admin being an "absentee landlord" in the early days is true. really i don't believe there has been a fundamental change in character, the fella is just experiencing euphoria from having discovered the answer (yet again) and to the detriment of his own board is "participating" a lot more. crazy to think if the fella just stayed as the absentee landlord and spent all his time reading facebook health groups like he always did, there wouldn't have been a downfall.
as for your point about how the early days of the peat-sphere evolved into what the rpf turned into, yeah i don't understand it either. all i can conclude is the truly original posters either got banned or no longer saw value in contributing and it basically just devolved into a bunch of laggards theorizing about how the world will end.
this is typically true for any board, there is always a golden era where you have a handful of personalities providing unique insights, which is why a new board was a good idea even if there wasn't a complete meltdown on the rpf.
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@Truth it's interesting that he recommends following a low vitamin A will reduce all your supplements when in reality they are taking a large amount. The whole process sounds insane to me. "I don't feel well because 'I'm buffering' in the detox process.'' In the next few months, we should see results of people trying the low vA diet. I'm interested to see what the reaction will be on the forum.
I'm not sure Katherine has a large case to sue and win. I do not like what the RPF is doing to his legacy. TBD, I haven't liked it since Charlie became the "Law and Order Admin" in 2018 or 2019(I have since forgot). This is why I'm glad Ray's work has been preserved mostly his website. I reference it at least once a week.
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@sphenoidCharlie RPF said today;
Divingwater said:
I don't understand why a doctor couldn't recognize subclinical toxicity.Charlie: I can look at a person now and tell if they are "vitamin A" toxic, the signs are very clear. No doctor needed.
What a remarkable gift
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@Not_James_Bond said in New "Mission" of RPF:
@risingfire
@S-Holmes
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@sphenoidCharlie RPF said today;
Divingwater said:
I don't understand why a doctor couldn't recognize subclinical toxicity.Charlie: I can look at a person now and tell if they are "vitamin A" toxic, the signs are very clear. No doctor needed.
What a remarkable gift
It's too bad he can't look at a person and tell if they're hypothyroid. (Much easier to diagnose than subclinical A toxicity.) Mr. Smith looks unhealthy and hypo to me.
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@sphenoidCharlie said;
Guys in the low toxins groups are reporting their "Peyronies" has been healed. The low toxin and low "vitamin A" diet makes a man strong like a bull, if ya know what I mean.This is comedy Gold
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@Not_James_Bond said in New "Mission" of RPF:
@risingfire
@S-Holmes
@yerrag
@sphenoidCharlie said;
Guys in the low toxins groups are reporting their "Peyronies" has been healed. The low toxin and low "vitamin A" diet makes a man strong like a bull, if ya know what I mean.This is comedy Gold
Good grief!
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@risingfire said in New "Mission" of RPF:
@Truth it's interesting that he recommends following a low vitamin A will reduce all your supplements when in reality they are taking a large amount. The whole process sounds insane to me. "I don't feel well because 'I'm buffering' in the detox process.'' In the next few months, we should see results of people trying the low vA diet. I'm interested to see what the reaction will be on the forum.
I'm not sure Katherine has a large case to sue and win. I do not like what the RPF is doing to his legacy. TBD, I haven't liked it since Charlie became the "Law and Order Admin" in 2018 or 2019(I have since forgot). This is why I'm glad Ray's work has been preserved mostly his website. I reference it at least once a week.
You are not sure Katherine has a case to win?
Why do you think that?
This isnāt about libel. Defamation. Or slander.
This is about his work- protected by copyright law.Would like to know your thoughts.
Thx
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What Christian denomination(s) do Charlie, Garret, ICA, and Blossom belong to? Anyone know for sure?
When the bodybuilders found Ray Peat was when the "community" went from scholarly nerdy types to bro culture, and events since 2016 and covid made the fundies and racists feel more emboldened. Interesting no one ever points out the seething misogyny in all these spaces. That's just to be expected I suppose.
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@Light Yep misogyny is unacceptable, but on the rise, heck here in the UK some Politicians cannot define what a Woman is!, depressing state of affairs
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@Not_James_Bond you could always say something about it to your fellow males. In the multiple calls for violence against women and rape of underage girls on RPF I've never seen a dude say that's not ok. Yet men apparently were opposed to women having a private women-only space.
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@Light which is why a lot of women who used to comment 2012-2013 left RPF. Ironic since so much of Peat's work was dedicated to women's health and we were run off
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@Light Since I got banned for telling an Elton John joke on RPF (a long time ago) I will try to call it out here.
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Off topic, but you know the worst thing about getting suddenly banned is you don't get to say goodbye. So those who are following your experiments and posts probably think you died. I thought this about someone who disappeared from the RPF last October. Looking back at his anti Smith and Genereux posts I'm pretty sure he was banned without warning. I hope he'll join us here. I have a lot of questions for him.
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@S-Holmes Yep, People disappear, and you don't know the reason, a bereavement if you will, its sad.
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the Perry guy used to say something. Pretty consistently iirc.
Iāve certainly said something.
Thatās when I thought the RPF was a relatively healthy space.
Man or woman: acting like a fcking asshole needs to be addressed.
Say something yourself.
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@Peatful Not my job to stand up to woman-hating males. And it's certainly not your place to tell me what to do. Males need to clean up their own filth. Ps how TF do you know I didn't?? Funny, I sure didn't see you, or anyone, backing me up when I was attacked and harassed by several vile males for "saying something."
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@Light said in New "Mission" of RPF:
@Peatful Not my job to stand up to woman-hating males. And it's certainly not your place to tell me what to do. Males need to clean up their own filth. Ps how TF do you know I didn't?? Sure AF didn't see you, or anyone, backing me up.
Mm-hmmm
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@CurmudgeonApple He was a Marxist. Not an orthodox one I think, but he saw the ideas as scientific. It defined his work in a way, and as we know he was by and far quite positive about the Soviet Union, particularly Lenin (whose theoretical works he thought were very advanced) and Stalin.
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@Light It's very true what you're saying, I feel in my personal life women pick up on the basic principles about 100x faster than men, and are likely indispensable for the future of these ideas. The terminally online guys get very comfortable in their online communities and pretend their sexual fantasies constitute ideology.
Ray's legacy in his own words was:
"Ending oligarchy and ending the digital culture are important goals."
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@Light As far as the denomination of Charlie (I can't speak to the others) it seems to be sort of like a Terry Davis level pseudo-protestantism yet not really. Eschatology mixed with Old Testament LARPing. Not fundamentalist in the sense that there's modern ideas in there mixed in
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@CO3 said in New "Mission" of RPF:
He was a Marxist. ...he saw the ideas as scientific.
The cool thing about Marx is that his description of the state of humanity was 100% correct. The prescription, or to be generous: outcomes of the prescription, was questionable to say the least... heheh.
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@CO3 said in New "Mission" of RPF:
"Ending oligarchy and ending the digital culture are important goals."
I'd add a few additional things to the list, but that would be a great start.
@CO3 said in New "Mission" of RPF:
women pick up on the basic principles about 100x faster than men, and are likely indispensable for the future of these ideas. The terminally online guys get very comfortable in their online communities and pretend their sexual fantasies constitute ideology.
Exactly
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@TheSir @CO3 I come from steep fundie roots, and have been ingrained in the charismatic community for my entire adult life -- while the latter has a lot of former fundies, they are diametrically apposed. I'll say, Charlie comes across as a basic fundie/evangelical who's deranged and isolated. I found his invocation of God in the vitamin A matters, to have been disrespectful, and trying to rebuke Georgi's Vitamin A beliefs, in Jesus' name sacrilegious!!!
Since the Protestant reformation (especially in America), Protestants have had a propensity for looking for divine justification of their revolutionary validity. Martin Luther claimed the Islamic siege on Vienna was God's judgement for the Catholic church. The Munster rebellion is a great tale of Protestant insanity following prophecies of the Return of Jesus. America has had several fundie Quakers/Freemasons that fall under this "saw an angel/went to heaven/esoteric download" charismaticism they use to create a whole denomination. While it could be called charismatic, it should not be confused with the modern charismatic / Pentecostal / New Apostolic Reformation (NAR) movement.
The Modern Charismatic community / NAR, would be best described as reactionary. They believe in reconciling the Protestant and Catholic communities (and consider their differences little more than a Hegelian dialectic), and desire to return to the Church practices found in the book of Acts -- essentially believing that decadence and decay saw the Church's stagnation and loss of miraculous and divine power and authority in culture (trading it for governmental papacies). They believe in practicing the gifts that Paul described -- which almost all fundies, even the charismatic ones, don't like in practice.
Note that fundies and charismatics hold to all the same "essential doctrines."
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@Light said in New "Mission" of RPF:
What Christian denomination(s) do Charlie, Garret, ICA, and Blossom belong to? Anyone know for sure?
I'm interested too. Charlie is especially very extreme even for a fundamentalist American Protestant - he advocates polygyny, for one. Also, I would like to know what's the nexus between that and the Vitamin A stuff. I've read some of Grant Genereux's forum and it seems secular, Smith's twitter and website also aren't overtly religiously themed.
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@DonkeyDude said in New "Mission" of RPF:
Smith's twitter and website also aren't overtly religiously themed.
Did you miss the huge cross he has strategically placed behind him in all his videos? Itās like a dogwhistle for people like Charlie and Christalone lady. He knows exactly whatās heās doing to attract these ātradā types.
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@DonkeyDude said in New "Mission" of RPF:
@Light said in New "Mission" of RPF:
What Christian denomination(s) do Charlie, Garret, ICA, and Blossom belong to? Anyone know for sure?
I'm interested too. Charlie is especially very extreme even for a fundamentalist American Protestant - he advocates polygyny, for one. Also, I would like to know what's the nexus between that and the Vitamin A stuff. I've read some of Grant Genereux's forum and it seems secular, Smith's twitter and website also aren't overtly religiously themed.
Hi, is polygyny communly perceived as extreme?
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@Truth said in New "Mission" of RPF:
Hi, is polygyny communly perceived as extreme?
I'd think so, at least within Christianity. No mainstream church anywhere advocates or practices it. Even the Mormons had to give it up.
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@ilovethesea said in New "Mission" of RPF:
Itās like a dogwhistle for people like Charlie and Christalone lady. He knows exactly whatās heās doing to attract these ātradā types.
Sure. I just don't get why these beliefs are related at all and how the synthesis has emerged.
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@Light I'm not a Garrettian, but but are these ideas really opposed? From a Peaty perspective the world looks kind of toxic too: most food is a combination of high-PUFA oils, high-PUFA meat and starch. Common food additives disrupt your hormones and destroy your gut. Stress hormone boosting medication is given out like candy. And if you perceive EMF as a serious problem, there's no place on Earth left unpolluted save for maybe polar regions and high seas. Does that mean a true Peater should remain sterile?
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@DonkeyDude I feel like he couldāve come up with any theory and theyād buy it tbh. Heās been playing up the āsatanic overlords are trying to kill usā angle since covid. Charlie himself said no proof was required just the other day.
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@Light said in New "Mission" of RPF:
It's more that #2 does not logically follow from #1.
If you believe you're in possession of an esoteric truth that also gives you a competitive advantage and should be spread as widely as possible (which Garrett's people do believe) then it does logically follow. Firstly, passing on your ideology (whatever it is) to your children is the best way to preserve it and hopefully enable it to spread further or at least to create a like-minded community. If you believe in something, you want it to spread. Secondly, if Smith is right and most people are held back by "poison A" and other toxins, then this knowledge will give his followers' children a massive advantage over others and thus let them secure power and wealth. TBH I do feel in a similar way.
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@Light You can have relatively better health, can you? And while I haven't studied low-A mythology extensively, I assume they do have some theory that their diet will make one more resilient to external stresses.
Besides, do you in general believe that one should not have children if the external conditions appear unfavorable? Is there no point in living because forever chemicals and radiation exist? What is, indeed, point of biohacking if there's no point to existence? You might be right, but it's not exactly a view that could inspire any action (whether joining a cult or buying anything), so no wonder Smith doesn't promote it.
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@DonkeyDude That's not what I'm saying. Let's just move on.
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@Not_James_Bond lol it reduces the calcification? I doubt that. Charlie just described hypothyroidism as a VA toxicity
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@AltarandThrone interesting, thanks for the lesson.
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@Peatful I don't think anything said has been classified as slander or libel. The forum went in another direction. It's been around for a decade and it's not defaming his work. They're using specific language that his work is being expanded upon. Seems like a tough case
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@Not_James_Bond also it must be a coincidence that risingfire and divingwater seem like antonyms
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@risingfire I see what you are saying.
Anyone who loved or respected Peat- would hopefully do the right thing- and take his name off the domain.
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@risingfire said in New "Mission" of RPF:
@Peatful I don't think anything said has been classified as slander or libel. The forum went in another direction. It's been around for a decade and it's not defaming his work. They're using specific language that his work is being expanded upon. Seems like a tough case
He said the ray peat diet is toxic (his words) ā that it feminizes men ā and that Ray was doing bad science. He also said Ray died by his own sword.
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It's heinous to me. For a man who claims to be faithful to think his time here belongs to him to this extent. He might very well live to be 120 on a diet of domino's pizza, if he wasn't such a selfish, vacuous cretin.
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IDK about libel or slander but they should stop using his name. Nothing over there remotely resembles his work -- quite the opposite. Dr. Peat had a framework of theory, based on research, experience and other evidence, and that's being thrown out for this or that theory to explain this or that phenomenon. It reminds me of the kind of 'research' I used to do on google before I found Dr. Peat's work.
Ultimately I'm not sure if Katherine is the type to seek legal action on this, or wait for this to die on it's own, which it surely will, but the damage will be done. It doesn't feel organic to me in the least and while there might just be some useful idiots the goal seems to be a discrediting of Dr. Peat's work which would be awfully convenient for the powers that be.
Dr Peat's death at 86 being used as some sort of justification feels off, and incredibly disrespectful to a man who gave so much so freely. Maybe he would've lived longer if he retired to Mexico and spent his days in the mountain sun instead of answering everybody's e-mails and continuing his life's work. And let's not forget that he died sometime after what was arguably a virus developed as a US bioweapon was released or escaped from a lab, and which had a propensity for the elderly and may have been engineered to have genetic predispositions, the consequences of which we still don't and may never completely know.
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For clarification
I never said there should be a suit suggesting
libel, defamation or slander.
Most states donāt allow that once deceasedHow convenient
Itās around his work
His lifeās work
Which his books and articles are protected by copyright lawUsing his name on a domain
Then stating his work isnāt complete
That his work is wrong
That his ideas are toxic
EtcMaybe not a legal issue?
Maybe is?But it certainly is a moral problem
What an absolute piece of shtt
Save the world with your new theories
Great
Honestly
Great
Hope it helps manyBut
Using a dead manās name and legacy
The profoundness of his work
To say
Nah- no goodIm appalled by the many who support this injustice
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It's interesting, because to me it just seems like Charlie has submitted to this orthodoxy normie approach of taking the "kitchen sink" full of vitamins. He was talking about taking niacin, selenium, zinc, potassium, even fucking molybdenum (lol, I've never EVER heard of a molybdenum deficiency before....ever). The "toxic Peat diet" would literally give you all of those nutrients. He was also talking about copper toxicity as if he struck some sort of revelation shared to him by the arch angel Michael. Like, dude, that's not a new concept, literally google the word "overmethylation" and I guarantee you something about copper dominance and/or low histamine will be towards the top of the page. I want to let the record stand I don't have any problem with Garrett. I don't agree with him, but unless he's LITERALLY crazy like Charlie then I don't see how Garrett will approve of his tactics either. Besides, in a year or two from now, once this new fad proves to not work for Charlie either, he'll turn his back on Garrett too. I'm starting to think he's just an insane hypochondriac.