New "Mission" of RPF
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@Peatly To me this does not read like Ray.
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The exchange must be legitimate, the lion might have altered the part for emphasis, but it's not a big deal. I wouldn't get caught up on it, as it can be used to distract people from the main issue, letting tension build up around it on purpose, only to discredit the indignant as fools later.
- "Can I open up a forum with your name for people to come together, discuss health and your teachings?"
- "Umm.. I think so."
- "Would you mind if somewhere along the way I turned it into a racket, tried to appropriate members' posts, disseminated that your approach kills persons and should be ditched to save humanity, imposed my mentor's ideology that poison A is a toxin, corrupted the space into a nucleus of misinformation and alarmism, banned contrarians who crossed my path to question authority, but not missing the chance to laugh at their faces?"
- "Oh, it's o.k. with me, but I don't know if I'll have time to follow its development."
Edit: I read Barghest's message after posting.
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It is possible that all three e-mails are legitimate (to "Charlie", to Danny, to the unknown recipient in 2020), Ray Peat could have given permission for a discussion board bearing his name in his generous spirit but over the years had misgivings after what it became... Doubtful he gave his 'blessing' to have his character or his product denigrated while others are promoted, and he seems to have believed it was intentional.
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Found this testimonial from someone who tried the vitamin A detox and got worse, her conclusion seems to support the theory about “toxic vitamin A” being a top-down operation:
https://justtakeabite.com/2020/01/06/why-we-stopped-vitamin-a-detox-diet/“A good scientist will try to DISPROVE his or her hypothesis. If there is no way to disprove it, then it might be valid. But if there are numerous cases/studies that don’t support it – that is a red flag. To me, that is what is happening with the Vitamin A Detox Diet. Proponents are trying to prove it, but not allowing any talk of cases where it is disproved.
Lastly, I did want to say that today’s post was about the main reasons we stopped the VAD Diet. There is definitely more to the story on both a personal and professional level. But I choose to keep that private. So if what I wrote seems a bit incomplete, it is. But it will have to do.”
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@Peatly said in A list of members banned from the Ray Peat Forum:
Not sure why Mephisto has been spared when others got banned for making more benign comments than this
It's due to Charlie's authoritarianism. Mephisto was taunting Charlie with: "just ban me already you prick". Of course, though Charlie most likely did want to ban him, this itch was overridden by his desire to not take orders from anyone.
A similar thing happened when Impero gave him the following ultimatum:
"So, which is it?
Are you taking the True Man of Honor and Integrity Way? (Posting your secret screenshot)
Or the easy way out? (Dropping the hammer)"
To which he replied "both", overriding not only the the isolated desire to simply ban Impero, but also his previous decision to not share more proof. He couldn’t simply ban impero because that would have meant yielding power to Impero's ultimatum. In order to avoid this, he had to additionally go against his own word and show proof despite previously saying that he won't do it.
I think this suggests that Charlie cares more about power than personal integrity.
Update: I am now banned too as a result of this post.
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@TheSir what a hypervigilant soap opera this is!
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@TheSir said in New "Mission" of RPF:
Update: I am now banned too as a result of this post.
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This is totally creepy that they are monitoring people after driving them away with this Vitamin A toxicity b.s.. That site has likely been completely compromised from its inception, can't think of any other explanation for all of these events.
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@C-Mex he also stalks reddit and facebook ray peat groups, i don't know when he sleeps given he's always lurking, unless he's got his "friends and family" doing it too
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@Barghest said in New "Mission" of RPF:
@C-Mex he also stalks reddit and facebook ray peat groups, i don't know when he sleeps given he's always lurking, unless he's got his "friends and family" doing it too
I wrote the post for which I was banned sometime between 10 and 11 AM Central European Time. Returned to the site shortly after that and was already banned. Depending on what time zone he lives in it must have been in the middle of the night or very early morning in the US. (East Coast time zone is CET - 6).
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Here's a recent hit-piece on Mercola. Given his recent interest in RP's work and the similar quasi-religious takeover at RPF I'm still left wondering if he's a pawn or a player set up to to take the fall.
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@Ivy said in New "Mission" of RPF:
@TheSir what a hypervigilant soap opera this is!
The constant twists and turns are pretty funny. The post you are replying to did not get just me banned, it finally got mephisto banned too. Pasting from the ban thread:
@Barghest said in A list of members banned from the Ray Peat Forum:
@TheSir well mephisto, who is definitely not me, is banned now too because of your comment, seems like your analysis was perfect. I was not banned this morning before you posted that!
@TheSir said in A list of members banned from the Ray Peat Forum:
@Barghest Ha, my apologies. It does seem like banning you was an attempt to invalidate the analysis. Yet by banning you just to invalidate the analysis, he inadvertently affirmed its conclusion: that he will always choose the action that is least damaging to his sense of power and control. In other words, he couldn't stand the accuracy of the analysis so he attacked it using the exact method the analysis highlighted.
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@C-Mex so mercola will pretend he's into ray peat, act unhinged, and then maybe claim the ray pet diet caused psychosis from the high vitamin a... yeah all these people are suspicious and all of this happening after Peat's death is suspicious, it's good to watch them closely, cause i suspect this is an attempt to vilify his ideas.
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Why does it even matter if Charlie got permission from Peat to establish the forum? This seems to be a fake controversy designed to distract from the actual issue at hand and create a bogus moderate stance (maybe Ray really supported the forum's existence, maybe it's fake, how can I know)?
The actual issue is that the forum in it's current state has abandoned Peat's ideas and it has done so after he passed. Whether he approved of it or not at its inception is irrelevant. If the Generative Energy podcast suddenly started to promote "poison A" stuff, would it matter that at some point in the past Peat had approved of it?
All in all, is quite hilarious that Charlie, a Protestant belonging to some weird online denomination, is claiming a kind of apostolic succession as a source of his legitimacy.
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Yes that is what I am thinking, but RP is just part of the larger movement they're trying to discredit: vaccine skepticism, medical health freedom, anti-pharma, etc. Anything which threatens the gov't narrative.
I just saw the christ lady interjecting herself into a discussion about aspirin on the RPF to announce that her husband had a bad reaction as it is 'known to cause sinus infections' which is not only false but had nothing to do with topic being discussed. She's one of those dismissive Karen's trolling every thread looking to trounce on any original thought or plant seeds of doubt.
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@C-Mex she was acting crazy on the subreddit they eventually had to ban her, even though prior to that there was no active mods. All day every day she would start arguments about vitamin a, it's really weird how cult-y they act. If it works as well as they claim then other people will notice and try it too, no need to be trying this hard to convince others, and to ban all other discussion, that's only necessary if they know questioning the ideas will make them fall apart.
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@DonkeyDude said in New "Mission" of RPF:
The actual issue is that the forum in it's current state has abandoned Peat's ideas and it has done so after he passed. Whether he approved of it or not at its inception is irrelevant. If the Generative Energy podcast suddenly started to promote "poison A" stuff, would it matter that at some point in the past Peat had approved of it?
Exactly. Everything over there is suspect now. Here's what people who come to the RPF see now (apologies of course if this guy is real, it just looks like a faked inquiry to me so that Charlie can advertise for Smith and the toxic Vitamin a 'Awakening'). An attempt to divert new readers away from RP's work and towards paying for this charlatan that is the antithesis.
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@brightside Charlie conveniently ignores the proof that Ray said in 2018 and again in 2020 that he did NOT know the identity of the person running RPF. I’m thinking that 2012 email was Photoshopped... otherwise Ray would surely remember he had talked to someone about RPF before. Especially if they were “in contact for years” as Charlie claims.
But let’s say Charlie did indeed get Ray’s blessing to start RPF.... then why wouldn’t he reach out to his next of kin Katherine to say he was thinking of taking the forum in a new direction using the work of Garrett Smith?
Instead he just insists that it’s “what Ray would have wanted” while he slanders him daily and tries to claim the moral high ground. He knows damn well that what he’s doing is unethical on many levels.
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@C-Mex said in New "Mission" of RPF:
Yes that is what I am thinking, but RP is just part of the larger movement they're trying to discredit: vaccine skepticism, medical health freedom, anti-pharma, etc. Anything which threatens the gov't narrative.
Agree.
Plus occultism.
Satanism.
Pedophilia.
Mass shootings.
9/11.
CERN
HAARP
DEW
Weather manipulation
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@C-Mex I think this guy is legit, people did ask these kinds of questions in the past. But it's clear the whole forum is in process of becoming a giant ad for Smith. Perhaps he offered a better bid than Mercola.
