Ray Peat was a Stalinist
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Ray apparently spoke with many folks or read different works to get a more rounded view. From what i gather, things are not exactly the way they've been presented to us over the years. Stalin was obviously no angel, but Ray is being Ray here imo, he had dug up some underlying info.
Stalin's current western reputation is a bizarre product of the losing faction Trotskyites (part of today's NEO's) and Krushchev revisionism. Sour grapes anyone. He was actually liked by many Americans and other westerners up until the mid to late 1940's.
Domenico Losurdo, critical of many including Stalin, presents the detailed nuances of Soviet Union politics before and during Stalin's time.
Enjoy: Stalin: The History and Critique of a Black Legend, by Domenico Losurdo
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@buckminster You are not being even a tad bit paranoid. It is logical to conclude that Peat's legacy and work is deliberately being diminished.
Did you see this history of Blake College?
https://t3uncoupled.substack.com/p/ray-peat-a-history-of-blake-college?utm_campaign=reaction&utm_medium=email&utm_source=substack&utm_content=post -
It didn’t end well for Madalyn Murray O'Hair
A successful depopulation agenda requires high excess death rates, lower birth rates and for the majority to vilify those that question it.
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I would challenge anyone to define Stalinism for me.
If it's just 'supports Stalin' you have to stop using the word if you want to be perceived as even remotely intelligent because that's not what you use an '-ism' for.
Ray was simply not a liberal or a nazi, anyone with a clear mind and a strong metabolism that is politically engaged in his generation defaulted to supporting the Soviet Union, especially at its zenith under Stalin.
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@BioEclectic said in Ray Peat was a Stalinist:
Stalin's current western reputation is a bizarre product of the losing faction Trotskyites (part of today's NEO's) and Krushchev revisionism. Sour grapes anyone. He was actually liked by many Americans and other westerners up until the mid to late 1940's.
Domenico Losurdo, critical of many including Stalin, presents the detailed nuances of Soviet Union politics before and during Stalin's time.
Enjoy: Stalin: The History and Critique of a Black Legend, by Domenico Losurdo
Exactly!
Some other works:
Ludo Martens, Another view of Stalin
Grover Furr, Khruschev Lied -
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@Norwegian-Mugabe You cannot interfere
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@Norwegian-Mugabe You sound like a trans activist. What do I care what people 'identify with'?
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@CO3 said in Ray Peat was a Stalinist:
anyone with a clear mind and a strong metabolism that is politically engaged in his generation defaulted to supporting the Soviet Union
Is this the No True Scotsman argument but high CO2?
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@Peatly said in Ray Peat was a Stalinist:
It didn’t end well for Madalyn Murray O'Hair
(Not an evil grin, honest. Preferably she'd have stuck around until his return and asked him for help with the voices in her head and contempt for her kind. "Um, yea, sugar and thyroid.")
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so no one is going to define Stalinist huh?
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A man who yanks his nation from the precipice of perpetual revolution while simultaneously preparing and saving it from fascist juggernaut(s).
How's that?
Edit: the beginning could be worded a bit differently but i'll leave it that. It's what my mind came up with in 10 seconds haha.
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@ThinPicking said in Ray Peat was a Stalinist:
@Peatly said in Ray Peat was a Stalinist:
It didn’t end well for Madalyn Murray O'Hair
(Not an evil grin, honest. Preferably she'd have stuck around until his return and asked him for help with the voices in her head and contempt for her kind. "Um, yea, sugar and thyroid.")
Do you think she said the Lord’s Prayer as she took her last breath? The very prayer she loathed. I mean, what did she have to lose?
May she RIP (p is for pieces)
Bad joke – now I have to do penance – again!
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@BioEclectic Sounds accurate! But I was looking for a definition of 'Stalinist' by those who love to peddle this word. They won't do it sadly because they can't.
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Great science happens with an open mind. Authoritarianism ruins science. To avoid authoritarianism we must reject personality cults (narcissism). Authoritarian regimes heavily revolve around personality cults, especially Soviet Russia. A more nuanced and balanced approach is required where science itself is up to open debate and investigation.
Both sides of the Cold War were flawed. Lysenko and Lamarcke were outright rejected in the west due to politics and Darwinism. The east rejected genetics due to politics and personality cults. The picture we see is somewhere in the middle whereby we see epigenetic and traits and also genetics.
Here is an excerpt of what happened to scientists who questioned Lysenko in the Soviet Union:
Soviet scientists who refused to renounce genetics were dismissed from their posts and left destitute. Hundreds if not thousands of others were imprisoned. Several were sentenced to death as enemies of the state, including the botanist Nikolai Vavilov, whose sentence was commuted to prison.[9]
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They also had no idea how to actually implement "communism". And limped on a legal system that could be described as consolidated or singular corporatism.
The KGB operated its "circle of accountability" while fledgeling computer scientists daydreamed of and inched development effort toward a penultimate cybernetic solution. A development effort that appears to continue to this day.
And here we are. In the age of "AI". Probably not a good idea to proceed without critique.
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@Fructose Cuty in the PFP warning.
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@bk_ said in Ray Peat was a Stalinist:
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ReplyI view Peat's take as endearingly skeptical of Western Imperialism.
It's ironically trapped in a dialectic that I'd think he'd usually see thru. I think it didn't help that he was alive in time to see authentic ideologues flock to it (basically all the in-crowd of the West), only to be immediately coopted and undercut by the powerbrokers who used it... picture a Bernie Bro still distraught and confused about the Hillary Hijack -- Bernie's handlers may have been in on it from the beginning, unknown to well meaning starbucks baristas.
I think he fell for the same populism trap as nazis, and subsequent neo-nazis. There was a whole lot of covert corruption of sincere people who were in the nazi and communist parties, but both sides saw the same problem (with their opposite solutions of course). If you read Marx describe the fallen state of western society, he shared the same concerns as reactionaries toward "progress" destroying poor peoples' stability.
